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Post by Alight on May 26, 2008 20:32:20 GMT
Really interesting Suggs.
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Post by Alight on May 26, 2008 20:17:31 GMT
Limited-service routes have sometimes been identified with hatched lines (see above), with some complications added to the map to show where peak-only services ran through to branches, such as that to Chesham on the Metropolitan Line. The number of routes with a limited service has declined in recent years as patronage recovered from its early 1980s' low point. As there are now fewer restrictions to show, and remaining ones are now mainly indicated in the accompanying text rather than by special line markings.
Above in violet is a quote from wikipedia
The question here is about the withdrawal of the hatched lines; only to come back last year (also introducing one for Mill Hill East branch). Why did this happen?
Even so the use is still very low; only 4 examples (Kennington, Mill Hill East, Chesham and Woodfood/Roding valley). Before the Barking stretch of H&C was covered, so was Uxbridge - Rayners lane of Picc and the Olympia branch of the District
And what do you prefer, when they have the hatched markings, or none at all?
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Post by Alight on May 22, 2008 19:57:55 GMT
O okay thanks
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Post by Alight on May 22, 2008 19:52:12 GMT
Ha thats another fake! (for those who dont know what the subtle difference is, just listen to Embankment link)
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 21:20:38 GMT
Yes the Embankment Northern line platform is the only original voice left, Lu have replaced him everywhere else. Sadly! # Like I say there are different versions which survive at many Bakerloo Line stations e.g. Paddington but lack agression yet still no please. And as well all know there is a 3rd example of a male voice often on the District Line: "Minnnndd the gap please"
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 17:59:03 GMT
O okay cheers.
Could you just remind me again, what are the different options. To my understanding it is like this:
1st set
OPT 1 - DMI just displaying the destination based on the front's board OPT 2 - Auto DMI with cut off DVA OPT 3 - Auto DMI with complete DVA
2nd set OPT1 - Commuter OPT 2 - Tourist
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 17:56:13 GMT
VERA to me from that sounds like Celia Mark 1 on the Northern Line.
Btw I think there may be two different shouty men:
(classic)
The latter link is the classic one I believe, however the former link sounds more like a copy which I heard today at Victoria sub-surface lines.
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 17:36:57 GMT
I dont know much about the Chelney line. The crossrail is something I am very averse to; not only the amount of money, but the way it will ruin the tube map ! No on a serious note, I'd rather the current lines were improved, with perhaps a new tube line, rather than this 'berkshire-essex' conumdrum.
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 17:29:32 GMT
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but the way I'd let people know about lines (as well as being useful for the deaf) is to have, instead of in-car line diagrams, there should be screens with line diagrams on them, that light up according to the train's destination. When it says 'This is a District Line train to Upminster', the 'District Line' bit, as well as all the stations between the current station and the destination, would flash, or something like that. Some text could also appear on-screen saying 'Change for Bakerloo and Northern Lines' or something like that. A similar system elsewhere has been carried out with LED light maps. The Idea you've presented is quite a decent one. However think of all the vandelism and expense. Plus I personally prefer the standard DMIs - they do me fine.
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 17:23:25 GMT
Today quite an oddity occured.
Travelling southbound, the DVA only came on at Finsbury Park; auto DMI was working fine. And coming back northbound, the following pattern happened:
On at Gloucester Road and South Kensington. OFF On again on approach to Holborn and at Holborn (funny feature happened, it said please mind the gap between the train and platform as train was slowing down at platform (i.e. before doors open) as well as the platform lady saying "Mind the gap please" OFF On again on approach to Finsbury Park only OFF On again on approach to Arnos Grove and at Arnos Grove OFF
Ive had this before a year ago, when it only switched on at selected stations e.g. Finsbury Park and Kings Cross St. Pancras.
Is this some kind of setting?
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Post by Alight on May 20, 2008 11:43:53 GMT
I will listen out for VERA at Hampstead. Who is the woman at Piccadilly Circus > the platform announcer. Also I think at Covent Garden/Holborn? The driver ones would have sounded realistic yet quite poor quality (thank you for info Jim and seth)
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Post by Alight on May 13, 2008 15:04:45 GMT
O kk - yeah thats the one on the standard rolling stock which I first heard in December but I should imagine have been there since the refurbishment/systems update program.
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Post by Alight on May 12, 2008 18:47:00 GMT
The new DLR ones sound dreadful. I think VERA also did the 'Bus stopping at next bus stop' announcement. I remember half the time VERA didn't even work! Emma Clarke can be just as unreliable! On my way to Ealing Common, via Hammersmith (H&C), The driver made a PA at Edgware Road that the Circle was closed and District partly suspended, and passengers for Wimbledon should change here. After that, the DVA didn't work! BTW, I didn't know the Viccy used to have VERA! I still really wanna hear VERA - I don't think she is the woman on the bus new announcements installed in the last year or so as that is Emma Hignett. When you say new DLR ones do you mean on the new rolling stock?
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Post by Alight on May 4, 2008 10:05:34 GMT
Edwin, yes indeed it is maintenance but also the design - I dislike the style of the seats.
I do know many who actually love the 1992 stock interiors like yourself, but for me, they are just becoming a little bit dated. I too hate the lights! Its just my opinion - 1973 stock interiors rule for me.
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Post by Alight on May 3, 2008 20:04:29 GMT
If it were up to me I'd replace the 1992 stock before the 1973s! Like others ^ I do agree. I personally am not a fan of the 1992 stocks; they do have good exteriors but in terms of the interior design its horrible! (IMO) For example the seats couldn't have been replaced for ages. And what's more, the red grab poles are starting to loose their colour....
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Post by Alight on Apr 29, 2008 20:50:13 GMT
Does anyone know what the 09/S Stock DVAs will sound like, bearing in mind that they've sacked Emma Clarke... Not necessarily; I was told by a reply from TFL that Emma wasn't sacked as "she was never a direct employee of either organisation but an external supplier" - they may well continue to use her recordings like they did for the recent D stock update (although they could have been recorded before the sack, but can't understand if thats the case, why they took so long to update). I think although having all metronet lines 'Emma Clarke' makes it uniform, I feel a bit of variety is needed. I think the Picc announcer would work well on the 09 stock but others may disagree.
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Post by Alight on Apr 29, 2008 19:05:36 GMT
And a woman announcing interchanges.
Did the Piccadilly have a man del? Maybe it did in the days where drivers had to type in the 'complicated codes' before the auto version came out in late '06 because traditionally only the DMIs worked "This train is for COCKFOSTERS" - still can be used when auto mode is switched off as it picks up the destination from the train's front.
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Post by Alight on Apr 26, 2008 19:59:47 GMT
Its the same person is it not?
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Post by Alight on Apr 26, 2008 17:40:09 GMT
I'm sure I must be losing it now, as today I head a THIRD version. This one was a mix of 1 and 2, a nice voice, but had a good bit too say!? Could this be it? I can't work out which Northern Line Celia it is either??
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Post by Alight on Apr 25, 2008 15:27:59 GMT
District D78: Emma Clarkes since the stocks came into use. . Only on refurbs, D stock non refurbed trains had no DVA. the refurbs have too muchTrue. I meant to say refurbs. And Tomcakes: VERA is news to me. I'd quite like to of heard it as I do not even remember any of the old DVAs. When did VERA first come into use then - when the stocks were first refurbished? I shall add this data to the top post.
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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 13:44:56 GMT
Since 1992, the DVA has been in use.
Now I am not entirely an expert on DVAs as the first time I really noticed them was 2007 (mainly because of the new Picc one); before then I can't say I even heard any!
From researching on other threads, here is my interpretation:
CENTRAL LINE - Janet Mayo 1992-2003.
Emma Clarkes 2003 +
NORTHERN LINE - 'Celia' (high pitched) 1990s +
Celia Drummond on 3 newer trains (announces interchanges on station approach) ___ The above two had the common feature of Describing the National Rail service type e.g. "Network Rail South East" on the former "Main Line Intercity and Suburban Rail services" on the latter ___
JUBILEE LINE- Anita 1990s + (but now only announces the terminus)
Celia Drummond (200?) + (replaced Anita's naming of the station and it's interchanges but did Anita ever announce the station and interchanges in the first place?)
Shouty Man - 1990s + (special announcements such as "This train will now terminate here. All change" or "Please keep your personal belongings, with you, at all times" ___ The above 3 all share the habit of pausing before the terminus is announced and saying "This train terminates at" as opposed to naming the line's train (the central line now does the latter since Emma Clarkes) ___
C Stock - VERA up until 2001 - very slow
Emma Clarkes replaced.
VIC/BAKER: VERA up until 2001
They are now voiced by Emma Clarkes, however it is known well that the Bakerloo Line is extremely hard to hear at the best of times (thats when it is working). Additionally these two lines are the only two to have "Mind the doors" as an autmatic announcement.
District D78: Emma Clarkes since the refurbished stocks came into use.
Piccadilly: Julie Berry (Late 2006) - but there was one before by adding in complex codes; this was voiced by a male driver.
Metropolitan Line: Absence of an announcer, but why?
DLR: Refurbished cars have a robotic sounding woman New trains I am not sure?
London Buses: Emma Hignett 2007 +
Please correct me if the info is wrong and please help me by filling in the question mark areas.
Many thanks.
(Edited 20/6 = Julie Berry for Picc
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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 13:17:03 GMT
Hi all,
The in-car line diagrams for the C stock seem to just show Aldgate as a single station. I would have thought they would show the change for the metropolitan line as it is where it leaves/joins it. Is there a reason for this?
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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 13:13:03 GMT
Yes, Im sure it is probably a 'wrong idea' when it comes to the technical stuff!
Perhaps Ealing broadway - Upminster would clear up Tower Hill?
Reason why i said Tower Hill originally was the current Eal.Brwy service goes to Tower Hill so I assumed it reversed.
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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 12:12:10 GMT
Hi all, It has been brought to my attention in various conversation with others who work at Canary Wharf about how delays on both DLR and Jubilee Line can cause chaos. Only two lines serve this growing (more buildings going up by the month) population of business workers. An example was a few weeks ago; the DLR was suspended and the Jubilee Line had severe delays. The frequency in general for the Jubilee Line is good but the platform soon fills up in a matter of 30 seconds. It is extremely busy. Yes indeed Crossrail is promised for under a decade and there are 'local bus routes' and river boat services I presume but many would rather just hop on the LU/DLR services. What do you think could be done for an extra LU/DLR alternative at Canary Wharf?
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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT
If the T-Cup is implemented, will that affect the Wimblewares working on the District? I have a feeling that Edgware Rd will be stretched with both T-Cups and Wimblewares trying to use the two middle platforms--especially in the Peaks. Could they not send the Wimblewares to Mansion House or Tower Hill? I actually had this thought the other day. Instead of having the T cup, they could simply make the circle line section (Sloane Sq. - HSK) District line and thus they could have to Edgware road services: Edgware RD-Wimbledon Edgware RD-Tower Hill/Mansion House And then you wouldn't really need a T-cup line; just H&C for northern section and District for West and South. Now the only problem is getting round the Aldgate-Tower Hill stretch. They could just extend H&C to Tower Hill (Met using Barking route). This for me works out a more simple pattern as there is less confusion. Only problem would be the amount of stock at Tower Hill but hey I am no expert at how Tower Hill is run. Thus the new pattern of District Line would be: Mansion House - Edgware Road (C stock via Sloane/HSK loop) Wimbledon - Edgware Road (C stock as usual) Wimbledon - Upminster (D78) Richmond - Upminster (D78) Ealing Broadway - Tower Hill (D78) and then from Edgware Road H&C will take over with the met. (no need for circle)
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Post by Alight on Jan 21, 2008 20:05:21 GMT
I personally feel as if the Hammersmith and City line should just be taken away from the above map as it will be a pointless line to keep! (Aldgate East-Barking will be nicely covered by the met)
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Post by Alight on Feb 20, 2008 13:38:40 GMT
Surely the amount of speakers, and where they are positioned in the cars affects how well one can hear the announcements?
For example the 1973, D78 and C stocks have speakers evenly spread throughout the car, and it is very easy to hear. However when I am on a 1972mrk2 and 1967, I often have to strain, especially on the transverse seats or in the door areas to hear the DVA because there are limited speakers. In addition, I dont know if this is something to good effect, but it seems having the speakers celing mounted seems to make a difference to where they are mounted on the 1967/1972m2s but it could just be me.
There is a youtube video with a news presenter trying out a 2009 stock. At one point he is in the cab and there is evidence of a DVA control panel in it - surely anyone who has connections to the 2009 stock on this forum may know a fair idea of what the 2009 stock has to offer in terms of DVA?
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Post by Alight on Jan 2, 2008 19:41:54 GMT
Ive always fancied it to run as the transits do at Stansted personally. Now wouldn't that be fun.
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Post by Alight on Dec 24, 2007 18:22:50 GMT
Well I am slightly inexperienced at such a forgotten line ! However indeed it is being extended (duh! ) but it is to become part of the LO which to me isn't really LU and therefore doesn't really need to keep on having "East London Line" mentioned. But of course I believe LO will be calling that service East London Line but still 2010...a long wait. Perhaps the DLR should brand its lines too..
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Post by Alight on Dec 24, 2007 15:00:39 GMT
Something tells me TFL are going to keep it on the map as a full Bus Replacement Service scheme which in my opinion is not good Did Aldwych get the privilage of a replacement service route stuck on the map forever? Nope. So why does Shoreditch have the right? Surely its never going to open again so they shouldn't dwell on this. LOOL I sound like a complete killjoy to all you East London Line fans. I just dont feel it should remain on the map now its closed as the map is cluttered enough as it is. Alex
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