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Post by Alight on Apr 24, 2008 13:44:56 GMT
Since 1992, the DVA has been in use.
Now I am not entirely an expert on DVAs as the first time I really noticed them was 2007 (mainly because of the new Picc one); before then I can't say I even heard any!
From researching on other threads, here is my interpretation:
CENTRAL LINE - Janet Mayo 1992-2003.
Emma Clarkes 2003 +
NORTHERN LINE - 'Celia' (high pitched) 1990s +
Celia Drummond on 3 newer trains (announces interchanges on station approach)
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The above two had the common feature of Describing the National Rail service type e.g. "Network Rail South East" on the former "Main Line Intercity and Suburban Rail services" on the latter
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JUBILEE LINE- Anita 1990s + (but now only announces the terminus)
Celia Drummond (200?) + (replaced Anita's naming of the station and it's interchanges but did Anita ever announce the station and interchanges in the first place?)
Shouty Man - 1990s + (special announcements such as "This train will now terminate here. All change" or "Please keep your personal belongings, with you, at all times"
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The above 3 all share the habit of pausing before the terminus is announced and saying "This train terminates at" as opposed to naming the line's train (the central line now does the latter since Emma Clarkes)
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C Stock - VERA up until 2001 - very slow
Emma Clarkes replaced.
VIC/BAKER: VERA up until 2001
They are now voiced by Emma Clarkes, however it is known well that the Bakerloo Line is extremely hard to hear at the best of times (thats when it is working). Additionally these two lines are the only two to have "Mind the doors" as an autmatic announcement.
District D78: Emma Clarkes since the refurbished stocks came into use.
Piccadilly: Julie Berry (Late 2006) - but there was one before by adding in complex codes; this was voiced by a male driver.
Metropolitan Line: Absence of an announcer, but why?
DLR: Refurbished cars have a robotic sounding woman
New trains I am not sure?
London Buses: Emma Hignett 2007 +
Please correct me if the info is wrong and please help me by filling in the question mark areas.
Many thanks.
(Edited 20/6 = Julie Berry for Picc
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Post by metman on Apr 24, 2008 14:53:30 GMT
Metropolitan Line: Good! A nice pieceful journey!
To be fair could you imagine a DVA on the Met? It would be an essay! Leave it to the t/op I say! There is a threat on this-have a look!
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 24, 2008 15:00:32 GMT
Metropolitan Line: Absence of an announcer, but why? Because station staff often announce where the train is going and where it's stopping at. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 16:52:47 GMT
Yup, with the C Stocks, I do remember hearing something like
''This is a ... Circle ... line ... train ... via XYZ.'' ''The next station is... Gloucester Road'' etc.. The Emma Clarke DVA 'tis much better!
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 24, 2008 18:05:44 GMT
I hate the sound of the Docklands DVA. Also, it announces where the train is going before it stops at a station, not at it. The point of announcing destinations is so you don't get on the wrong train. After you get on, you already know.
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Post by edwin on Apr 24, 2008 21:07:01 GMT
I loved the old Central line announcements, very brief and modern sounding. The Emma Clarke ones sound robotic.
I also like the Victoria/C Stock announcements, they seem to be quicker and announce the station as soon as the doors open, whereas the Piccadilly takes too long...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 21:33:10 GMT
District D78: Emma Clarkes since the stocks came into use. . Only on refurbs, D stock non refurbed trains had no DVA. the refurbs have too much |
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Post by happybunny on Apr 24, 2008 23:12:44 GMT
D stock DVA is the best, and the crappiest DVA on the combine  The best because it is advanced, with all the Minor/Severe delays and suspended messages, very clever. The crappiest because if the T/Op wants to press for "mind the doors" he may as well just not bother, most manual announcements have about a 10 second time delay !! Sometimes don't work at all... also it goes on for faaaaaar too long... and the way they wired the chimes and PA up is rubbish.. i.e. if PA in use chimes don't work! |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 25, 2008 0:47:17 GMT
The point of announcing destinations is so you don't get on the wrong train. After you get on, you already know. Could you tell this to the person who does the bus announcements please. Announcing the name of the next stop is good when you don't know the route, but it gets really annoying that you get the route number and destination about 30 seconds after the doors close - even if only the exit doors were opened and nobody has got on! If you can't see the route and destination before you get (e.g. you're visually impaired) on you can ask the driver. What would be better would be an audio and visual announcement at bus stops as the bus is approaching. Once you've got on its a bit late if you find you're going the wrong way. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 25, 2008 9:01:27 GMT
I have seen the latter happen Chris, though with a big man and a megaphone... "22 tae Gyle.... 26 part route tae Murrayfield.... have yer exact fare ready"
The original Vic/Bakerloo/Circle announcer, "VERA", was superceded from 2001 by Emma Clarke.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 25, 2008 9:38:50 GMT
The "bus station" (and I use the term loosely) at Newport on the Isle of Wight has a PA system which they use to announce which service is at which stand. It seems to work well there.
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Post by Alight on Apr 25, 2008 15:27:59 GMT
District D78: Emma Clarkes since the stocks came into use. . Only on refurbs, D stock non refurbed trains had no DVA. the refurbs have too muchTrue. I meant to say refurbs. And Tomcakes: VERA is news to me. I'd quite like to of heard it as I do not even remember any of the old DVAs. When did VERA first come into use then - when the stocks were first refurbished? I shall add this data to the top post. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 25, 2008 21:24:26 GMT
I believe it was about 1997. There is a website with some clips - I'll try and find it.
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Post by bowchurch on Apr 26, 2008 18:50:02 GMT
JUBILEE LINE- Anita 1990s + (but now only announces the terminus) Celia Drummond (200?) + (replaced Anita's naming of the station and it's interchanges but did Anita ever announce the station and interchanges in the first place?) Shouty Man - 1990s + (special announcements such as "This train will now terminate here. All change" or "Please keep your personal belongings, with you, at all times" ___ The above 3 all share the habit of pausing before the terminus is announced and saying "This train terminates at" as opposed to naming the line's train (the central line now does the latter since Emma Clarkes) ___ There is now a forth voice on the Jubilee line DVA announcing the East London Line Bus Service. |
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Post by bowchurch on Apr 26, 2008 19:02:03 GMT
I hate the sound of the Docklands DVA. Also, it announces where the train is going before it stops at a station, not at it. The point of announcing destinations is so you don't get on the wrong train. After you get on, you already know. Some of the units seems to have picked up a stutter too, so you get announcements like: 'The the next station is Westferry is Westferry. When leaving the train, please ensure you take all your belongings with you with you' I asked the PSA if is was annoying listening to it all day when he came to check my ticket, he told me what was more annoying was he couldn't remember which circuit breaker shut her up but left the normal PA and the dot matrix screens working. |
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Post by Alight on Apr 26, 2008 19:59:47 GMT
Its the same person is it not?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 27, 2008 21:33:20 GMT
The Central line 92 stock, in the early days, had a male voice. Not known to many people - but I once heard it say "Central line auto announcer 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ,5, 4, 3, 2, 1." I only ever heard it once. Does anyone know anymore about it?
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Post by alstom1996 on Apr 29, 2008 11:58:49 GMT
Its the same person is it not? Yes it is. |
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 29, 2008 15:32:21 GMT
Since 1992, the DVA has been in use. Now I am not entirely an expert on DVAs as the first time I really noticed them was 2007 (mainly because of the new Picc one); before then I can't say I even heard any! From researching on other threads, here is my interpretation: CENTRAL LINE - Janet Mayo 1992-2003. Emma Clarkes 2003 + NORTHERN LINE - 'Celia' (high pitched) 1990s + Celia Drummond on 3 newer trains (announces interchanges on station approach) ___ The above two had the common feature of Describing the National Rail service type e.g. "Network Rail South East" on the former "Main Line Intercity and Suburban Rail services" on the latter ___ JUBILEE LINE- Anita 1990s + (but now only announces the terminus) Celia Drummond (200?) + (replaced Anita's naming of the station and it's interchanges but did Anita ever announce the station and interchanges in the first place?) Shouty Man - 1990s + (special announcements such as "This train will now terminate here. All change" or "Please keep your personal belongings, with you, at all times" ___ The above 3 all share the habit of pausing before the terminus is announced and saying "This train terminates at" as opposed to naming the line's train (the central line now does the latter since Emma Clarkes) ___ C Stock - VERA up until 2001 - very slow Emma Clarkes replaced. VIC/BAKER: VERA up until 2001 They are now voiced by Emma Clarkes, however it is known well that the Bakerloo Line is extremely hard to hear at the best of times (thats when it is working). Additionally these two lines are the only two to have "Mind the doors" as an autmatic announcement. District D78: Emma Clarkes since the refurbished stocks came into use. Piccadilly: Woman X (Late 2006) - but there was one before by adding in complex codes; same woman? Metropolitan Line: Absence of an announcer, but why? DLR: Refurbished cars have a robotic sounding woman New trains I am not sure? London Buses: Emma Hignett 2007 + Please correct me if the info is wrong and please help me by filling in the question mark areas. Many thanks. (Edited 26/4 = bus announcerDoesn't Tramlink have DVA? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 15:58:21 GMT
I think I remember the piccadilly having a man who could pronounce things very well then they got rid of him, and what does vera sound like, are there any recordings?
btwcroydon tramlink has a man anouncing the stations
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Post by Alight on Apr 29, 2008 19:05:36 GMT
And a woman announcing interchanges.
Did the Piccadilly have a man del? Maybe it did in the days where drivers had to type in the 'complicated codes' before the auto version came out in late '06 because traditionally only the DMIs worked "This train is for COCKFOSTERS" - still can be used when auto mode is switched off as it picks up the destination from the train's front.
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Post by edwin on Apr 29, 2008 20:02:15 GMT
Does anyone know what the 09/S Stock DVAs will sound like, bearing in mind that they've sacked Emma Clarke...
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Post by Alight on Apr 29, 2008 20:50:13 GMT
Does anyone know what the 09/S Stock DVAs will sound like, bearing in mind that they've sacked Emma Clarke... Not necessarily; I was told by a reply from TFL that Emma wasn't sacked as "she was never a direct employee of either organisation but an external supplier" - they may well continue to use her recordings like they did for the recent D stock update (although they could have been recorded before the sack, but can't understand if thats the case, why they took so long to update). I think although having all metronet lines 'Emma Clarke' makes it uniform, I feel a bit of variety is needed. I think the Picc announcer would work well on the 09 stock but others may disagree. |
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Post by Ben on Apr 30, 2008 14:34:10 GMT
Does anyone else think that male voices carry better over the background noise of railways?  |
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 30, 2008 15:26:43 GMT
I heard that people are more likely to listen to male voices saying the instructions (e.g. mind the gap), and female voices saying the information (e.g. this train terminates at...).
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Post by Chris M on Apr 30, 2008 15:38:27 GMT
I would have thought that this depends more on the tone of voice than the gender of the speaker. I think it is Chalk Farm lifts that have a female voice with which I suspect few people would dare get on the wrong side of.
Having heard many staff, male and female, around the combine giving both information and instructions over recorded PAs, what matters most imho is that the person giving instructions sounds confident, authoritative and certain about the instructions. For information it matters most that the speaker is clear and easy to listen to. It may be that these are traits generally more associated with male and female speakers though.
I remember reading somewhere that on at least one line of one system somewhere that alternate stations were announced by male and female voices.
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Post by edwin on Apr 30, 2008 20:39:07 GMT
I remember reading somewhere that on at least one line of one system somewhere that alternate stations were announced by male and female voices. You might be talking about the Moscow Metro where a Male voice announces trains going towards the city centre, and a female voice going away from it, the logic is "your boss calls you to work, your wife calls you home"... The announces on the Moscow Metro are also brief, which I think London could learn from, too many announcements doesn't mean passengers listen more, it means they become used to it and ignore all of them! |
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Post by bowchurch on May 4, 2008 1:22:39 GMT
Its the same person is it not? Yes it is. I'm surprised by that, because the inserts do sound different. |
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Post by superteacher on May 6, 2008 21:55:20 GMT
Maybe if some of the managers had to listen to the constant DVA announcements in their offices, they might just take the hint that we are being saturated by them!
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Post by maxtube on May 12, 2008 16:22:36 GMT
The new DLR ones sound dreadful. I think VERA also did the 'Bus stopping at next bus stop' announcement. I remember half the time VERA didn't even work! Emma Clarke can be just as unreliable! On my way to Ealing Common, via Hammersmith (H&C), The driver made a PA at Edgware Road that the Circle was closed and District partly suspended, and passengers for Wimbledon should change here. After that, the DVA didn't work! BTW, I didn't know the Viccy used to have VERA!
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The best because it is advanced, with all the Minor/Severe delays and suspended messages, very clever. The crappiest because if the T/Op wants to press for "mind the doors" he may as well just not bother, most manual announcements have about a 10 second time delay !! Sometimes don't work at all... also it goes on for faaaaaar too long... and the way they wired the chimes and PA up is rubbish.. i.e. if PA in use chimes don't work! 
