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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 6, 2010 20:09:39 GMT
They may have been scheduled into a specific platform but in reality either was used. They were, supposedly alternate. b) was there any scheduled starting/stabling in the siding? How far back do you want to go? I've got a couple of CSLR examples and a Morden-Edgware somewhere. There was a morning starter/evening stabler in the M-E WTT.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 6, 2010 13:34:38 GMT
well, they've got the picture right now. Re Bob Crow's comment - 1920's infrastructure? really...? Wonder what he thinks about the bits of the Liverpool and Manchester that are still in daily use... Heh... Canterbury and Whitstable...
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 6, 2010 12:28:05 GMT
It has been running on the Press Association wire for over an hour now, so I would expect wider coverage bit.ly/99iemb12 trains, cracks on brackets; the first take doesn't say which bracket, or whether it comes with a hinge BBC gives more detail, and is running a tube article without the obligatory 67TS picture.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 6, 2010 10:52:38 GMT
May I politely suggest that the Christmas meet this year marks the occasion on the Saturday the same way that the Circle trip did last year? It is one of the options being considered, as we speak. ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 5, 2010 21:04:36 GMT
Nowhere else at all - I'm coming to the conclusion that it is something that should have been got rid of at the proofing stage. It is one of those rare errors.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 5, 2010 14:58:47 GMT
Not trying to be a SA but surely if you're foxed, so might the less intuitive driver at that time, so shouldn't there be a key somewhere at the end of the publication revealing all. There isn't. Nor is it mentioned in the keys of the contemporaneous WTTs that I've got.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 5, 2010 14:00:32 GMT
Now, I'm not normally thrown by symbols in WTTs, but this particular one has got me foxed. I suspect that I'll have to look at the TC concerned to get the answer but I'll punt it out here to see if anyone has an idea: So what does the square mean? These come from TTN 188/55 which is the 1955 Northern Line Christmas Timetable notice. Now, they're not the first trains out of Morden heading north, they go back down the same branch, they don't divide, and the only non-stop code is M for Mornington Crescent. The only uncoupling was a 3/4 in Finchley Central sidings on Christmas Day and Boxing Day. They're not booked to have UNDMs or be block trains either. Confused of Canterbury!
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 5, 2010 13:20:51 GMT
Isn't that only a bit better than "Line Suspended"? Correct me if I'm wrong/rude. Better than nothing at all, no trains, nada, zip.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 5, 2010 13:03:00 GMT
What do you mean by "made up"? Untimetabled and largely spur-of-the moment.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 4, 2010 12:43:34 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but how can NOT doing something cost £15m.? Monty Python had an album called 'Contractual Obligations'; I wonder if the same holds here? ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 3, 2010 23:39:34 GMT
A 15 minute gap on the Jubilee is considered a good service. I can think of a former Bakerloo controller who would be spinning in his grave if he were dead! That is a shocking indictment of how standards have changed.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 3, 2010 2:08:58 GMT
X is/was non-cheque non-warrant and non-cash on APTIS and PORTIS.
I've got a car parking PORTIS ticket from Devils Bridge with an X in it somewhere. ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 2, 2010 18:52:27 GMT
Er.... Haven't we done something like this recently [or was it PMs between us]? For some reason, I'm remembering 'snap, crackle and pop'.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 2, 2010 15:09:13 GMT
First time I've seen an "Aldersgate & Barbican" roundel. There's a couple knocking around of two different designs. Not that I keep an eye on the enamels, but A&B has cropped up for sale recently.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 2, 2010 2:51:45 GMT
why does every signal need a tripcock? <off topic> Could you imagine batting and tonking past Scout Green in the up direction with the fear of a tripcock being against you? I'm sure A.F. Bound might sympathise. ;D </off topic>
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 2, 2010 2:06:12 GMT
What are 1272 and 4421? I remember them from a previous life?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 1, 2010 15:44:24 GMT
Just those that are driven into more and more outré territory by gratification theory. Best summed up by nicking from wikipedia: Utility — Mass communication has uses to people. Intentionality — Media consumption is directed by prior motivation. Selectivity — Media behavior reflects prior interests and preferences. Imperviousness — The lessened ability of media to influence an obstinate audience. The salient word here is 'imperviousness'.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 1, 2010 14:27:01 GMT
Hmm, I think the 12/54 pictures could well be mis-dated. Why? Well, the picture of Sir Ralph Verney has two things that make me think it is of a later date - the 'Abbey National' hoarding has the later, more modern typeface , which I think came in in 1956/7 [1]
- Sir Ralph Verney has a paint date of 7/55
- the url for the image is http://www.53a-pix.co.uk/picture/LT3-UN-1958.jpg
[1]based on various photographs of Briggate in the final flings of the Leeds trams. The two-figure numbering predates the A stock, and based on various scraps of information, I'd say that the pictures labelled 27/12/54 I'd place an educated guess that these pictures were taken within the space of about an hour; probably about 13.45 - 14.45 - but that's only with partial bits of information, probably aroundabout 1958, 1959 at the latest. However, if you discount the picture of Sir Ralph Verney as being chronologically inaccurate, then the pictures would be timed to something like 10.45 - 12.00 in 1954, but this is a bit more of an outside guess.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 1, 2010 12:38:30 GMT
We're veering off-topic here... Has anyone been accosted for drinking on the Underground? Mod. CommentWhy don't you start a new topic for that, rather than steering the thread off topic.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 1, 2010 11:00:13 GMT
Boxing Day has long been a bank holiday (ever since they were introduced) south of the border (the Scots had New Year's Day instead). But at that period it was a service day on the railways, both LT & BR, (as was Christmas Day). Doubtless mrfs42 can provide info on the service provided! I might even have the appropriate TTN to hand. There was a period in the mid- 50s when the Met (and the Met alone) published three separate TTNs for covering 23 - 27, 28, and 29 - 31 December. Quite what Childermas/Holy Innocents did to deserve a TTN of its very own, I'm not quite sure (as I've never had the time to compare/contrast). Watch this space, I'll update later..
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 30, 2010 1:50:43 GMT
SE13 will be back in a bit, so you've got me for a few days. Oo. Think about this one... (click image for a larger version)
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 30, 2010 1:44:36 GMT
Point to DistrictSOM it is indeed Parsons Green. Point to Sean B as it is Somerset - I'd got a clue all lined up about you lot not eating enough salad! Answer: Parsons Green - boxes at south end of westbound platform [Chris M] (click for a larger version) Background: Blackdown Hills near Chard, Somerset [Chris M] (click for a larger version)
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 30, 2010 1:36:22 GMT
Aha! That explains quite a bit - I'd always thought it was down to variable timings between the stocks, but was aware that it changed (and not as consistently as a run-time variation).
That's saved working through the data for about 24,000 trains.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 15:08:17 GMT
I'm fairly sure it stopped after 28/10/91. 230 was the 0640 staff from Hammersmith to Aldgate East, passenger to Whitechapel at 0719½ and reverse. 211 was 0651½ off Hammersmith Ety - conveys Train Operators Baker St. - Farringdon/Moorgate, arrived Aldgate 0718½ and formed the 0723 Staff to Liverpool St. passenger thereafter and became an Inner Rail Circle. you mean you were there ready to sell tickets before the first train? Is this the right section for the question? ;D ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 10:46:48 GMT
Huh?! HSTs?! Hm, but eventually he only got racks and hooks ;D There are slam door trains, with central locking and emergency override still running on the british network. 'Amersham Man' got a bit more than that with the internal layout maximised for flexibiliy and semi-privacy; all due to the experimentation and consultation with the two MW stock trailers.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 10:21:32 GMT
<off topic> HSTs? </off topic> Remember - it was the mythical 'Amersham Man' that dictated the Met. main stock was to remain compartmentalised.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 9:19:34 GMT
I don't think H&S would tolerate such a layout today. Why? If you've got enough CSAs and central locking plus all the faff written up in SMS/Change Management there shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 9:00:59 GMT
No - neither the MW or MV stock (later T) had corridors.
However, the two MW stock trailers converted as part of the pre-A stock experimentation had gangways. 17000 had a centre gangway and 20000 had side gangways.
They appeared in footnotes to the WTTs; 17000 entered service in Jan 1946 and 20000 in Jun 1947 - these vehicles remained in service until 1953 - a second guard needed to be provided, which was the reason for enumerating their workings in WTTs.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 7:54:27 GMT
FWIW I looked at it and thought - Anerley... and then I thought no, not quite (signal in the wrong place).
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 29, 2010 6:45:09 GMT
Nice and easy for to-day ;D : (click for a larger version)
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