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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 18, 2010 18:40:35 GMT
<off topic> (Are there any pictures of 1935 stock coupled? I've seen one - it looks like a pair of upside-down bathtubs canoodling. Can't remember where, though; sorry. </off topic>
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 13, 2010 9:16:11 GMT
The best way would be to use the full title for the first use with the abbreviation afterwards in brackets. However, at the end of the day, as long as your posts are understandable then there is no problem. I often run into the need to use abbreviations when typing up lists of stations. As long as there is a key somewhere so readers who are not familiar with the abbreviation get a fighting chance at understanding your post then everything will be fine. The use of abbreviations is a perpetual headache, as the modern UndergrounD loves to use such terms.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 13, 2010 0:13:53 GMT
PM = Possession Master?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 17:54:43 GMT
Yes the D stock has flared sides rather than the odd angle that the A/C have. I struggled to tell the difference at first but can tell on a glimpse now! Be careful what you call 'flared' sides. Normally used in an LU context for stuff like CO/CP stock, R stock and others of that ilk. Clicky
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 16:05:46 GMT
Door edge rubbers, I presume.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 14:30:40 GMT
They've all been through Ealing Common. They used to go that way to get to Acton Works for overhaul. *slaps forehead* Of course they have! Forgot about that.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 10:22:19 GMT
My guess is North London Line. The two SBs look very NLL and the end station looks very like Broad Street.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 0:38:46 GMT
I think common sense must prevail here... A few people have mentioned common sense so I am wondering if that is the 'Thomas Paine' version, regarding despotic governments. It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from enquiry; the direction and not the magnitude which is to be taken into consideration, but it stands that suspicion is the companion of mean souls, and the bane of all good society. I can assure you: there is no fear of resistance here. Time makes more converts than reason.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 0:22:00 GMT
Maybe they will think an A60 is a WMD! ;D Has one ever made it through Hanger Lane.... WM?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 11, 2010 13:11:36 GMT
Splendid - welcome along - and many thanks for the pictures you took of the Northern Line signalling in the 50s and 60s. ;D
However, the 1956 Northern WTT (7) which I put a photograph up in reply No. 14 did have booked moves to the northbound platform.
I wonder if this was as part of the resignalling of the Piccadilly in 1956. I'll have a look through some other WTTs to see if there were other booked reversers in the northbound platform.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 11, 2010 12:53:08 GMT
Pardon my ignorance,but what is "Top-posting"? Top-posting is where the reply is above the quoted text. This Forum generally runs on bottom-posting, where the reply is below the quoted text. Moderator Comment: rest assured that the Forum Staff are watching this thread.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 11, 2010 11:46:35 GMT
Pleasure. ;D The timetable continued to show the late night sunday move for the remainder of that particular WTT and I believe it was still included in the next WTT - amended by timetable notices. I recall that the engineering timetables around the time were roughly 50/50 when including the move. Ah - this is where you've hit on an interesting possibility; because there are 5 potential places where the train could finish - WTT 318 23/5/04
- TTN 34/04 26/9/04 - 11/12/04 Leaffall and WmPk reconstruction Pt. 1
- TTN 85/04 12/12/04 - 12/2/05 Wembley Pk reconstruction Pt. 1 *without* leaffall
- TTN 1/05 13/2/05 - 28/5/05 WmPK reconstruction Pt. 2
- WTT 319 29/5/05
time for a bit of digging..... MJ [1] Column note present in WTT 318 ( 00 30 off BkS); not in TTN 34/04, TTN 85/04, TTN 1/05 or WTT 319. [1] MJ meaning via the Jubilee.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 23:44:46 GMT
If the war hadn't of interviened, is it likely that 9 cars would have lasted? It was a very awkward arrangement so it was surprising it lasted as long as it did. Service frequency improvements achieved the same effect. FWIW, I don't think the answer is quite as simple as that. The post-war service intervals were about 1 - 1½ minutes further apart (as a rough comparison between 1940 and 1950 - however.. I do have a large selection of WTTs of that era - perhaps one day I should sit down and compare them cumulatively. I shall use a Morden-Edgware WTT to send me to sleep.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 23:32:00 GMT
Why did they make a 5 car unit? I thought most 62s were 4 car units doubled up into 8s on the Central LIne. <guess> Most probably making up the minimum length needed to fulfill various timing/spatial functions with either the conventional track circuits that remain or the frequency boundaries otherwise. ie. it's as short as it can be to get the signalling to work correctly. </guess>
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 20:22:54 GMT
These services stopped around the time of the extension opening**, but did leave one empty train running as the last northbound from Baker Street to Neasden depot which used the Jubilee line from Finchley Road. This stopped a few years ago** when the crossover at Finchley Road was withdrawn. (** mrfs42 will, as always, be able to fill in the blanks / dates ;D ;D) Yes - it's on the programme for to-morrow; hopefully. unless you mean the extension to the Metropolitan & St John's Wood Railway. As a first approximation, I'll say July 2004 - 'cos that's when 22 B are recorded as being temporarily withdrawn.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 12:33:19 GMT
Yes; on 3 Sundays in 1978, IIRC.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 11:55:08 GMT
District to Windsor?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 11:20:28 GMT
Picc. trains used to go to W. Ken on the District - I dug some stuff out of WTTs, but can't for the life of me remember when they stopped.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 11:14:53 GMT
Barking - Uxbridge? Or were you not thinking that far back?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 10, 2010 9:40:54 GMT
Yes they did - there were two traffic circulars produced with pictures in *rummage*. Although I've just realised that this image is from the 1937 edition, ISTR the 1938 edition had the same illustration.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 9, 2010 0:22:14 GMT
Slacken up the Met Timetable a bit, Why? MetControl's adrendalin levels will then become sub-optimal. A tragedy. ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 16:22:18 GMT
10 = view of Llanberis pass & Glyderau from Snowdon Mountain Railway Glyder Fach, I think..
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 14:14:39 GMT
Yes - this particular WTT seemed to favour the use of the siding for reversing - obviously this was quite a bit of a faff, as it involves changing ends twice. In later WTTs they did alternate, but with a bias towards the NB platform - I've got some notes from a 1956 WTT somewhere, but it isn't the easiest to read: Sundays: As you can see all reversing in the SB platform - services off Morden during this period were: xx.02 Golders Greenxx.05 High Barnet xx.08 Eustonxx.12 Golders Greenxx.15 High Barnet xx.18 Eustonxx.22 Golders Greenxx.25 High Barnet xx. 28 Eustonxx.32 Golders Greenxx.35 High Barnet xx.38 Eustonxx.42 Golders Greenxx.45 High Barnet xx.48 Eustonxx.52 Golders Greenxx.55 High Barnet xx.58 EustonOk then - having dug for the proverbial needle in the haystack there were SB reversers! Just the one each day - no directions as to going into the siding as printed on the galley, but in each case the 11.42pm off Barnet reversed north at Euston arriving 12.11am departing 1222½am to Mill Hill East arriving there at 12.44am and forming the last staff off MHE to Highgate Woods - this didn't happen on Sunday, trains 28 (M-F) and 35 (Sats). HTH. ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 13:42:13 GMT
Saturdays were very similar indeed - Sundays were a different kettle of fish altogether - more to follow on that. Anyway, in this WTT 178.5/11/45 the following started/stabled at Euston:
Saturdays Excepted: 34, start 5.3am; 14 stable 12.45am
Saturdays Only: 34, start 5.3am; 9 stable 12.45am
Sundays: 50 start 7.2am; 53 stable 12.44am.
Of anecdotal interest, it is heartening to see Kennington Siding used to stable two trains, just like Down Street did.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 12:38:20 GMT
Evening reversers, as you'll see - no Tooting originators. Ex- Morden services during the clockface part coming up shortly. xx.02 Golders Greenxx.05 Mill Hill East xx.07 Eustonxx.11 Golders Greenxx.12½ High Barnet xx.17 Eustonxx.20 Mill Hilll East xx.22 Golders Greenxx.26 Eustonxx.27½ High Barnet xx.32 Golders Greenxx.35 Mill Hill East xx.37 Eustonxx.41 Golders Greenxx.42½ High Barnet xx.47 Eustonxx.50 Mill Hill East xx.52 Golders Greenxx.56 Eustonxx.57½ High Barnet
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 12:35:57 GMT
And another... Circle line: "Minor delays are occuring due to an earlier faulty train at Chancery Lane." Finger error by the editor?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 11:22:49 GMT
Lunch slack hours service; Saturdays excepted: as you can see the timings are set around a rigid 10 minute arrival time at Euston City. I'll type up the matrix for Morden/Tooting departures during this clockface period in the slack hours in a mo. xx.02 Golders Greenxx.05 Mill Hill East yy.13½ Euston ex-Tooting xx.11 Golders Greenxx.12½ High Barnet xx.17 Eustonxx.20 Mill Hill East yy.28½ Golders Green ex-Tooting xx.26 Eustonxx.27½ High Barnet xx.32 Golders Greenxx.35 Mill Hill East yy.43½ Euston ex-Tooting xx.41 Golders Greenxx.42½ High Barnet xx.47 Eustonxx.50 Mill Hill East yy.58½ Golders Green ex-Tooting xx.56 Eustonxx.57½ High Barnet Tooting originators appear out of strict chronological order, but are presented in galley order. Now for the evening reversers... ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 10:09:27 GMT
I'll write the Morden/Kennington/Tooting - Euston services up later on in frequency; if you want. The list headers are train number, time, ex [station], Euston arrival, platform, next working.
So, hopefully all Euston terminators will be on the list, I'll have a look to see what the frequency was in minutes for the other (through) services.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 9:20:05 GMT
As an after thought were there any SB reversers via the siding? Paul Well, you're in luck I've got a 1945 WTT in front of me now; and I'm doing a little list. I've got to 10.55½ on Saturdays Excepted and there has been one reverse via the SB platform all the others have been via the siding. Did you mean a train heading south and going back north via the siding? If that's the case, I'll enumerate them separately. EDIT: Some interesting things thus far... I suspect Euston (City) was used to assist/relieve Tooting - Morden, as it forms a stable pattern - every third one being ex-Tooting. Also the reversing train is booked to arrive 2½min before the previous reverser has departed.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 6, 2010 21:46:50 GMT
Me and my big mouth! If it's that date I probably won't be able to make it as middle Daughter will be performing in a Christmas carol service in Portsmouth early that evening! When I saw the note from school today a word flashed through my mind that cannot be repeated here....... Shame. I'd have probably used a similar word if I had to go to a carol service. ;D
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