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Post by superteacher on Sept 26, 2010 18:24:51 GMT
Has anyone got an updated list of 67 stock that has been withdrawn so far, and what units may be left on the line right until the end?
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 1, 2010 12:26:12 GMT
Has anyone got an updated list of 67 stock that has been withdrawn so far, and what units may be left on the line right until the end? As this has been asked several times and no one has posted a list, I decided to start one. However, as we do not know all the units that have gone, I thought it would be a good idea to also include the most recent time the unit has been seen in service. If this is updated often, we should be able to work out which units have been withdrawn: Last updated: 06/10/2010A end Units:3001 Scrapped 07/2010 3003 3005 3007 3009 Scrapped 2010 3011 3012 Scrapped 01/2010 (Test train) 3016 Scrapped 08/2010 3017 Scrapped 03/2010 3018 Scrapped 2010 3020 3022 In service 27/07/2010 3024 3026 In service 06/04/2010 3028 3029 3030 In service 13/03/2010 3034 3035 3036 Scrapped 07/2010 30373041 In service 22/08/2010 3042 3043 In service 27/07/2010 3045 3046 3047 3048 Scrapped 09/2010 3050 In service 06/04/2010 3052 In service 09/2010 3054 3056 In service 28/06/2010 D end Units:3102 3104 3106 3108 Scrapped 04/2010 3110 3113 Scrapped 03/2010 3114 In service 13/09/2010 3115 3119 Scrapped 07/2010 3121 3123 In service 27/07/2010 3125 Scrapped 2010 3127 In service 28/06/2010 3131 Scrapped 08/2010 3132 In service 09/07/2010 3133 3138 Scrapped 2010 3139 3140 In service 27/07/2010 3144 3149 3151 Scrapped 2010 3153 3155 3157 Scrapped 09/2010 3180 3181 In service 17/09/2010 3182 3183 3184 3185 3186 In service 13/03/2010 Double ended Units:3058 3059 3060 3061 3062 In service 28/06/2010 3063 3064 Scrapped 2010 3065 In service 07/2010 3066 3067 3068 3069 3070 In service 20/07/2010 3071 In service 22/08/2010 3072 3073 In service 08/2010 3074 In service 17/09/2010 3075 3076 In service 08/2010 3077 Scrapped 01/2010 (Test train) 3078 3079 In service 07/2010
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 1, 2010 20:34:21 GMT
I remember seeing 3001 in Ruislip depot when it was newly delivered. It was wrapped in plastic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 20:48:33 GMT
Indeed it was. Photo of it was in Underground News a couple of years back.
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Post by ruislip on Oct 1, 2010 21:50:24 GMT
I remember seeing 3001 in Ruislip depot when it was newly delivered. It was wrapped in plastic. And I remember 73ts, brand-new and waiting to enter service, in Ruislip siding with their doors covered in plastic.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 2, 2010 9:10:38 GMT
3052 was in service last week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 18:05:24 GMT
Have photos of a few 1973s in Ruislip with the door "space" covered in plastic - i.e. a few were initially delivered without doors.
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 5, 2010 2:59:25 GMT
I don't know whether or not this will be happening, but I read somewhere that some of the 67's would be transfered over to the Bakerloo line to run with its current stock until a replacement for the Bakerloo line trains are made. Was or is this still true?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 5, 2010 10:43:34 GMT
I get the impression from this forum that it was one of the options being considered. However, I think the decision has been taken that the Bakerloo will not be extended to Watford before it gets new trains so it wont need any stock from the Victoria Line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 12:54:53 GMT
I get the impression from this forum that it was one of the options being considered. However, I think the decision has been taken that the Bakerloo will not be extended to Watford before it gets new trains so it wont need any stock from the Victoria Line. Hm. Would it need any spare stock for failures or replacement of clapped-out units? That is, to replace clapped-out 72s with better-condition 67s, with a bit of work? Would it be worth it?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 5, 2010 15:37:03 GMT
I'm guessing that these things were looked at and decided it wasn't worth it. However that is just a guess.
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 5, 2010 20:19:13 GMT
I get the impression from this forum that it was one of the options being considered. However, I think the decision has been taken that the Bakerloo will not be extended to Watford before it gets new trains so it wont need any stock from the Victoria Line. I see. I think the Bakerloo line is also being extended to Kent as well? I'm not sure whether that will get the go ahead, but it could be useful. As for the loss of the 67 Stock, it'll be a shame when they're all gone. I just hope they keep a train or two.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 5, 2010 21:00:51 GMT
I get the impression from this forum that it was one of the options being considered. However, I think the decision has been taken that the Bakerloo will not be extended to Watford before it gets new trains so it wont need any stock from the Victoria Line. I see. I think the Bakerloo line is also being extended to Kent as well? I'm not sure whether that will get the go ahead, but it could be useful. As for the loss of the 67 Stock, it'll be a shame when they're all gone. I just hope they keep a train or two. As fas as can be worked out, only car 3052 is being preserved for static display at Acton.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 5, 2010 21:05:00 GMT
Withdrawn in August 2010 - units 3031/3131, 3048/3148 (in addition to what's already been shown).
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 5, 2010 22:33:13 GMT
I see. I think the Bakerloo line is also being extended to Kent as well? I'm not sure whether that will get the go ahead, but it could be useful. As for the loss of the 67 Stock, it'll be a shame when they're all gone. I just hope they keep a train or two. As fas as can be worked out, only car 3052 is being preserved for static display at Acton. It's good that they are keeping a car for display, but it would be good to do what they do with the 1938 stock and run special train services on occassions
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 5, 2010 23:17:08 GMT
Withdrawn in August 2010 - units 3031/3131, 3048/3148 (in addition to what's already been shown). Were those units taken to Booths in August or September? The 'scrapped' dates I've put in the list for other units are the month they left Acton. For now, I've put 'withdrawn 08/2010' in the list, but I'm guessing that 3048 left in September as it was still in service on 23rd August:
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Post by North End on Oct 6, 2010 0:09:42 GMT
As fas as can be worked out, only car 3052 is being preserved for static display at Acton. It's good that they are keeping a car for display, but it would be good to do what they do with the 1938 stock and run special train services on occassions Because the 67 stock isn't the most suitable stock for manual driving (and therefore unlikely to see further LU use), and the contractual arrangements as part of the Vic Line Upgrade, I wouldn't be at all surprised if no complete units survive in the long term. I expect some cars will be temporarily retained for recovery of spares for the 72 stock, but that's all. I hope I'm wrong, but for the 67 stock it really is a case of catch them whilst they still exist.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 6, 2010 18:34:20 GMT
Withdrawn in August 2010 - units 3031/3131, 3048/3148 (in addition to what's already been shown). Were those units taken to Booths in August or September? The 'scrapped' dates I've put in the list for other units are the month they left Acton. For now, I've put 'withdrawn 08/2010' in the list, but I'm guessing that 3048 left in September as it was still in service on 23rd August: 3031 withdrawn on 6th August, went for scrap in August (date unknown) 3048 withdrawn on 31st August, presumably went for scrap in September.
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 10, 2010 19:40:54 GMT
I expect some cars will be temporarily retained for recovery of spares for the 72 stock, but that's all. I hope I'm wrong, but for the 67 stock it really is a case of catch them whilst they still exist. I completely agree. They are good trains, reliable, quick. I remember a while ago, asking a driver on the Victoria line if he prefers the 67 stock or 09, and he told me he prefers the 67's as they still get you from A to B.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 7:54:51 GMT
But nothing, not even A' stock, lasts forever.
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Post by North End on Oct 11, 2010 17:51:06 GMT
I expect some cars will be temporarily retained for recovery of spares for the 72 stock, but that's all. I hope I'm wrong, but for the 67 stock it really is a case of catch them whilst they still exist. I completely agree. They are good trains, reliable, quick. I remember a while ago, asking a driver on the Victoria line if he prefers the 67 stock or 09, and he told me he prefers the 67's as they still get you from A to B. Indeed. Waiting 3 trains at Victoria tonight in order to avoid 09 stock, I couldn't help noticing that the 09 stock dwell times at Victoria northbound were really poor, mainly doors failing to close. A lot of people said the sensitive edge was a Bad idea..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 21:55:07 GMT
It must have been mentioned before, but the 1920 Cammell Laird Tube Stock had door sensitive edges. These were removed very quickly. Wonder how long the 2009s will last - or maybe the sensitive edges will be "made" to work .
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Post by superteacher on Oct 12, 2010 19:22:48 GMT
Very silly idea - spoils an otherwise good train. I can't believe someone actually thought they'd wotk . . .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 14:59:26 GMT
Tube doors are not lift doors.
"Mind the doors!" They should not bow and scrape to thick punters. If an idiot sticks his hand into the door and it gets clamped, the station staff should get it unstuck and give him an earful.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 13, 2010 17:33:35 GMT
Tube doors are not lift doors. "Mind the doors!" They should not bow and scrape to thick punters. If an idiot sticks his hand into the door and it gets clamped, the station staff should get it unstuck and give him an earful. Totally agree - they will soon learn that way!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 10:01:55 GMT
With the amount of CCTV available now, why can't they implement "Anyone deliberately obstructing the doors or nuisance operations of PEA's will be fined £50"?
People would soon learn then.
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Post by harlesden on Oct 14, 2010 10:17:48 GMT
Only £50? Some people spend that on a haircut or a restaurant meal. £250 is a more realistic deterrent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 13:43:31 GMT
Go for 500 quid, or a thousand.
And it must be enforced like ****.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 17:47:55 GMT
I think you're getting close to RIPAS there... but that much is just silly. Especially with the placement of the alarm button in the disabled bay on the S stock - there'll be little kids pressing that...
Back closer on topic, I believe the sensitive edges were put into design due to the event in 1997 on the Central Line at Holborn where an 11-year-old boy was dragged to death because a toggle on his anorak was caught on the train doors.
Knowing the design team have made an effort to prevent a reoccurence, I am glad. A small delay is better than a fatality.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 14, 2010 19:26:53 GMT
I think you're getting close to RIPAS there... but that much is just silly. Especially with the placement of the alarm button in the disabled bay on the S stock - there'll be little kids pressing that... Back closer on topic, I believe the sensitive edges were put into design due to the event in 1997 on the Central Line at Holborn where an 11-year-old boy was dragged to death because a toggle on his anorak was caught on the train doors. Knowing the design team have made an effort to prevent a reoccurence, I am glad. A small delay is better than a fatality. One freak fatality (and it was just that) is certainly NOT worth inconveniencing 1000's of passengers every day while the door system gets reset. Such delays are not small. even a 30 second delay on a couple of trains can stuff up the service and cause overcrowding. As much as the incident to which you referred was tragic, particularlly for the boy and his familly, there is no need for a knee jerk reaction. I reckon the sensitive edges will fall out of use pretty quickly - as more 2009 stock are introduced, the problem is likely to get worse.
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