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Post by ted672 on Nov 24, 2021 10:45:37 GMT
Misery Line? No way to board without walking along the platform? Some people don't know they are born! And "..... - but I well remember the 90's and the real jeopardy of wondering if you will get to work on time every day or even if a train will turn up at all some days! "
I travelled to school between Clapham North and Oval in the early 70s at a time when trains were shortened to six cars for some months. That was stressful!
Sorry, we're getting into the realms of Monty Python's "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch.
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Post by ted672 on Jul 29, 2021 13:02:27 GMT
In the 1950/60s there used to be old records kept at or near platform level at Bull & Bush. I knew a Finance Department trainee who had to have a train stopped specially for him to let him off. Having found whatever he was looking for he then had to phone Golders Green to have another train stop to pick him up. It wouldn't happen today! Digressing slightly - again while spending time in the Station Development Office, my boss was out when I answered the phone and I was surprised to hear his voice on the other end. He was calling from Old Ford escape shaft, having been let off a train from Stratford. He then exited via the stairs, testing the phone on the upper level as well. Interesting times.
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Post by ted672 on Jul 23, 2021 10:11:03 GMT
Hi've not seen the progamme yet, but have it recorded. Siddy was one of the guides on a visit to Highgate I was on a couple of years ago and I'm not surprised she's been involved in this show, she was very good at the time.
I spent some of my trainee time in the Station Development Office at 55 Broadyway back in the mid 70s. In quiet moments I was able to look through their filing cabinets of station blueprints and was surprised to find a set detailing the continuation of the Aldwych branch to Waterloo. I can't recall the detail, but I suspect (hope)these and other drawings are safely archived somewhere.
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Post by ted672 on May 22, 2021 10:31:48 GMT
Not sure if this helps, from J Graeme-Bruce's 'Steam to Silver': "In 1938 the second rehabilitation of the 1920 stock was undertaken. The principal work being carried out at this time was the conversion of the control trailers to single equipped motor cars and the fitting of air-operated doors with passenger push-button control. The control trailers were converted to motor cars by the transfer of equipment from the scrapped ‘Southend ’ locomotives. The guard’s control panel for the air-doors was only provided on the double-equipped motor cars and the formation was altered to DM-3T-1T-SM-SM-3T-3T-DM. When trains were operated as 4-car portions the guard remained on the same motor car for both directions of travel. The west-facing single-equipped motor was provided with First Class accommodation, having been converted from the control trailer car."
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Post by ted672 on Apr 28, 2021 15:27:54 GMT
While the transparcy of the announcement is welcome, the situation does demonstrate the increasing complexity of our railways and one has to wonder what benefits this brings. They're now advertising on TV pressure washers that you control with an app on your phone. I just wonder where the world is going!
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Post by ted672 on Apr 16, 2021 14:46:59 GMT
This is going to be a very interesting venture to follow. The US must have plenty of subway cars due to become surplus (or have they?) and if that is the case, then what's to stop them building their own version? Unless Vivarail has patented technology, in which case there may be a useful licensing deal to be done.
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Post by ted672 on Mar 23, 2021 17:36:33 GMT
It is unusual but not unknown for "canal" to be used to describe artificial waterways that are not intended for navigation. There used to be several drains of considerable size along the length of Renwick Road. Maybe it's these that are being referred to. While looking at the NLS Georeferenced Maps, it wa apparent that the new extention would not be the first railway in the area as the old power station had a considerable network accessed from the west end of the LT & S Ripple yard.
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Post by ted672 on Mar 17, 2021 15:27:37 GMT
I had an Irish relative who visited my grandmother in South Woodford. She wanted to visit Loughton, expecting to see a lough, so she pronounced it Lough Ton. When iBus was first introduced Loughton was pronounced /ˈlɔːɹ.tən/ (lore-ton). Back when I was running East London Coaches, the future MP Tim Loughton used to hire an open topper for race meetings. He always said "Lawton" rather than the place name.
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Post by ted672 on Mar 12, 2021 10:09:55 GMT
Not wishing to take this off course, but people of a certain age may recall "visions of the future" on TV or in the cinema, where any form of transport, on land sea or air, had windows, or was a transparent bubble, even if it passed along underground tunnels at vast speed. There must be something in the human psyche that expects to be able to see, as well as sense, movement. I'm sure there's a way of fitting advertising to tunnel walls that can be read as a train passes through, something like a "flick book" combined with those oddly shaped ads on sports fields that look perfectly rectangular when seen on TV.
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Post by ted672 on Mar 11, 2021 16:38:57 GMT
Thanks, that's interesting.
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Post by ted672 on Mar 11, 2021 11:48:40 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere in this thread - maybe my search criteria were off - but I was wondering if it would have made matters easier for the section of the Piccadilly line between Ealing Common and Rayners Lane to be transferred to the District line. My thinking is that it would avoid complications of different stock running between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge and only require one signalling system rather than two, along with modifications to the '73 stock. No doubt it's too late for such an idea to be implemented, but I wonder if it would have been beneficial or was even considered during planning?
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Post by ted672 on Feb 23, 2021 9:18:46 GMT
Going back to the original question, I had a look at the National Library of Scotland's Georeferenced maps and found that the siding is shown here: maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19&lat=51.52313&lon=-0.15652&layers=173&b=1 (if the link works) diverging part way along platform 1. It's amazing how a wide-ranging and interesting discussion can arise from a straightforward query!
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Post by ted672 on Feb 12, 2021 17:21:33 GMT
I am rather surprised that none of the potential new owners have arranged to get their trains moved off site, if nothing else to protect them from the weather. I think the new owners were hoping to use the return trips of the trucks bringing the 484s to the island to transport the 483s to their new homes, thus saving considerable costs.
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Post by ted672 on Jan 5, 2021 17:04:43 GMT
Thanks for the info, must be age catchting up with me!
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Post by ted672 on Jan 5, 2021 15:05:20 GMT
Apologies if I've missed this further back in the thread, but are the Isle of Wight 484s going to operate on the existing third rail, or will most of it be removed, leaving sections at strategic places for battery charging?
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Post by ted672 on Jan 5, 2021 15:02:09 GMT
It may be worth tracking down a copy of Jim Blake's "Northern Wastes" book which goes into some detail on the plans for the New Works Programme. I beleive there are copies on some on-line sites (but not Am...n at £37.00!!!!)or from Jim direct.
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Post by ted672 on Jan 4, 2021 16:35:40 GMT
I visited the line not long after starting with LT in September 1975 and trains were arriving and departing using the northbound platform and using a crossover to the south to reach the southbound track. I do have some photos on my Flickr page, but can't get them to show here, so this is the link: flic.kr/p/pqm2p4
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Post by ted672 on Dec 11, 2020 15:19:54 GMT
Not so; At least three are set to be re-homed. One to us, one to the IoWSR and one to go to the old Bembridge platform at Brading. The Railway Heritage Designation Advisory Board was only concerned with managing the disposal of 483006 and 483007, so theoretically the rest COULD be scrapped, but SWR want to avoid doing this. Hopefully 007 will go to the people who will be best placed to keep it mobile, given the amount of work recently completed.
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Post by ted672 on Dec 10, 2020 14:17:31 GMT
Another classic, well done. I always thought the refurbishment was the best of the bunch, no loss of seating capacity and a much more open environment.
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Post by ted672 on Dec 9, 2020 10:36:24 GMT
It's good to see them making progress, but I was wondering how loud the control gear is in reality, as the high pitched wine is quite annoying on the videos. That was until the souped-up car drove off in the third video!
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Post by ted672 on Nov 30, 2020 14:16:38 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how the battery propulsion is achieved, perhaps Vivarail may wish to help? As long as it doesn't involve the strange whining noise that seems to accompany the revised D stock. At least the preserved unit will only be a dozen miles from home as I've not been able to travel to the island to see them.
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Post by ted672 on Nov 29, 2020 16:10:57 GMT
The only way I can see of fitting batteries would be to section off the driver's end of one car, remove the seats and use that space. It would then be possible to place an image of the empty seating area on the partition wall, a bit like the one on the car in the museum at Covent Garden.
Would one powered car be enough within the unit as this would avoid high voltage cables between the cars?
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Post by ted672 on Nov 10, 2020 13:51:27 GMT
One issue I see with the 11'8" bridge is that the overheight warning sign is between a pair of traffic signals that show a green light to approaching traffic!
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Post by ted672 on Oct 21, 2020 14:23:53 GMT
I'm wondering if there's an age "thing" here? People of my generation (and older) always called the underground "the underground" while anything else local to London, such as the suburban lines through Clapham and later in and out of Liverpool Street, was called the Overground. When trying to explain to my wife how we could travel to Camden from Romford, using Crossrail/TfL Rail (eventually the Elizabeth line) to Stratford then the Overground to Camden Road, the comment was, "isn't it all the overground?". I've seen elsewhere there's been discussions about individual branding for what is now the Overground, and that to me would be sensible, once the names had been agreed upon, as "something line" is always associated with TfL.
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Post by ted672 on Aug 20, 2020 13:46:31 GMT
I can't help thinking that the front view resembles a 4-SUB. I wonder where the mileage accumulation will be done as the short Island Line would give similar issues to the Valley Lines. Maybe these will be out and about on the Southern network, as was the standard stock back in the day.
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Post by ted672 on Aug 11, 2020 9:21:03 GMT
The Tube History link above suggests only one 1938TS trailer was converted to work with the 1960 stock - in fact there were four: three (4921, 4927, 4929) on the Woodford shuttle, and a fourth (TRC912) for the track recording train, although it was never used and a 73TS car was used instead. I understood that they used Standard sock trailers with the Cravens DMs When first in service each pair of Cravens cars had two standard stock trailer cars between them to make six four-car units, arranged in three eight-car trains. The standard stock cars were replaced, during the late 70s I think, by a single 1938 stock car in each unit and a number of driving motor cards were scrapped, leaving only three complete three-car units.
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Post by ted672 on Aug 5, 2020 12:53:08 GMT
Rails of Sheffield are doing a good deal for pre-orders!
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Post by ted672 on Jul 31, 2020 11:11:46 GMT
It would be great if Vivarail could convert a unit to battery power for the Epping Ongar Railway. If a removable battery packs were used, they could potentially be used in other preserved underground stock (with suitable adaptation), opening up considerable possibilities. Also a couple of heritage railways use, or have used, class 419 Motor Luggage Vans under their own power with preserved SR units.
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Post by ted672 on Jul 31, 2020 9:50:55 GMT
It will be very interesting to see what the outcome of the process is, although it's satisfying to see that the stock has been recognised as historically important. As for any running under their own power, I wonder if the system used for a number of American subway cars may be considered, which is fitting a trolley pole on the roof and erecting overhead line equipment.
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Post by ted672 on Jul 24, 2020 10:33:14 GMT
It'll likely still open, but I imagine that a lot of the demand that they'd expected will no longer be there - some degree of increased homeworking is going to be the norm going forward. In some ways that may be a blessing in disguise as it will allow any remaining bugs to be worked out of the system without being under crush load conditions from the outset, which is what I was expecting, especially eastwards from Stratford. As it is, I'll never use the completed Elizabeth line in my working life!
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