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Post by naz on Dec 4, 2019 10:40:31 GMT
The "V" frames get more attention then the others in the way of photos but this book is not a technical manual on their development just a overview and when and where they were installed etc... On a different subject there is a nice colour section on the LMS stop and proceed signalling between Camden junction & Watford Junction but makes no mention of the signalling between Barking & Upminster which was more or less the same.
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Post by naz on Nov 19, 2019 10:16:10 GMT
I have just checked the Alexandra palace branch appears in volume 3 in the series dealing with the LNER . However as the branch came so close along with the rest of the Northern heights lines to being completed a couple of extra pages dealing with this would not be out of place.
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Post by naz on Nov 18, 2019 10:17:23 GMT
In recent weeks has seen the release of a much sought after book for fans of LT signalling. The signal box register volume :8 London transport is published by the Signalling Record Society. The book took over 11 years to compile and is a comprehensive register of every signal box known to exist on LT although it covers the period from 1948 in more detail. After a brief history of signalling on LT it then looks at signal box types and locking frames and much more . It covers each line and company route by route and there is a lot too take in. There are many photos of signal cabins inside and out, Lever frames and signal diagrams. It has 192 pages and cost £22. No doubt readers will find errors and omissions but with a work of this size this is to be expected. But I do have a few of my own : The Brill branch is shown as having no signalling but does not say how the line was worked we all know it was worked by "One engine in steam with two sections & train staffs " but does everybody else ? The Alexandra palace branch is omitted for some reason but the rest of the line from Park Junction to Finsbury park is included. But overall the book is worth every penny and should be on your book shelf.
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Post by naz on Aug 12, 2018 10:17:48 GMT
We should not loose sight of the fact that the STAR project is being built on what was the goods only lines into Temple mills marshalling yards and were built so that the many freight trains that came in from East Anglia had access to the yards without getting in the way of passenger trains this is reflected in the signalling which was very likely No Block / Permissive working of some sort .As no passenger trains used the line no land was needed for any platforms then so the boundary fence on the east side need only be a few metres from the up goods line . This has not moved for the most part since the lines were lifted in c1969 since then many factories /warehouses and houses not to mention access roads have been built right up the fence. So to build new up platforms on a relaid up line additional land will need to be purchased at least several metres wide and relocate the boundary with Networkrail and/or TFL. Now can you imagine the cost involved here not to mention the amount of work required. I think the best we can expect is a 4th line which will become the up fast track which will be very useful in the years to come.
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Post by naz on Jun 20, 2018 7:39:44 GMT
Unless a wide angle lens was used by James a very sharp radius point will be needed here to gain access to the new third track ! Maybe they will build a wider bridge over the stream or is it a footpath and start the junction a bit further back ? The relay cabinet with the yellow stripe will need relocating.
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Post by naz on Jun 18, 2018 16:20:34 GMT
I have seen very few photos of freight trains on the central perhaps because most ran at night although a former train driver I once knew based at Stratford said coal trains sometimes ran during the day hauled by class 15 or 16 locos which he drove he said they did give him any trouble despite the problems they had with them. But it still would nice to see some photos during shunting operations but I suspect they would have surfaced by now.
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Post by naz on May 5, 2018 9:16:39 GMT
Nice photos. I notice the earthworks seem to finish just beyond the new meridian waters station is this where the third track ends or will it continue beyond Angel road to the old junction site at Picketts lock ?
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Post by naz on Apr 8, 2018 10:45:40 GMT
This looks all very smart and modern! This station which is only a few miles from where I live has not changed much over the years apart from changes of ownership with new station name boards , posters etc.. together with a lick of paint here and there. It retained its old Great Eastern Feel right up to recent years Since it reopened in 1960. Since TFL took over this station it is now manned right up till the last train around midnight not so in the past however. I used this station at odd times on Thursday nights whenever there was engineering works on the Lea valley line when trains were diverted along this route. This side of Waltham cross is very quiet late at night and still has no buses after eleven . I was very often the only person waiting for the last train which was very often late and it could be a very spooky place to be on your own !
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Post by naz on Mar 19, 2018 10:05:01 GMT
Just a quick reminder that both frames are wrong. Both Epping and Debden had Westinghouse N2M frames these were scrapped a short while after the boxes closed. The frames from Harrow-on-the-hill North & South subsidiary boxes would make ideal candidates for preservation as they used N2 frames which are similar . I think one should go to LTM while the other should have gone to Debden as compensation for loss of the original it could be adapted to look and function like it. But that would duplicate the fine work being done at Epping box to a large extant so no one will bother with that idea! So what else can we do with it ?
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Post by naz on Dec 11, 2017 11:03:04 GMT
I like the photo of the 1938 stock coming into Watford high street station , but as an aside to the subject under discussion here , Can anyone tell me when and how Watford junction PSB took over control of this area. I know there was a separate panel which controlled the bay platforms from 1967 ( not seen any photos of this in original form ) so was the old one extended or was a new longer one put in ?. Also when was the remodelled layout at high street brought into use before or after the signal box closed ?
<<superteacher>> Post moved from historical thread, and other posts relating to the confusion have been deleted.
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Post by naz on Aug 21, 2017 9:03:35 GMT
Hi I am looking for any photos of Blake hall goods yard and the station forecourt area looking towards it when it was open during the period 1957-1967 when the line had been electrified and BR still provided goods trains. I need these so that the my OO scale model railway layout of Blake hall is correct as it is modelled in this time period. I know this is a long shot as most photos are either before or after these dates ! I have only seen three and they are taken from the road over bridge which do not show much detail. So if you have anything please post them on here I am sure other people will find them interesting as well .
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Post by naz on May 31, 2016 18:10:27 GMT
Looks like this subject was more complex then I first thought but thanks to everyone who replied I think I understand it all - but to get back to the other question I asked I well remember after the tragic accident at Moorgate even the underground put in some yellow aspect signals before a terminus , Ongar for sure and at Chesham (at the latter place still today ) in fact I thought it was a legal requirement that's why I asked ? I know British Rail adopted it, so the whole subject must have been reviewed at some point for the underground when new technology became available ? unless I am wrong.
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Post by naz on May 20, 2016 17:43:41 GMT
Just recently I was looking at Harsigs signalling page diagrams and I noticed on the W&C at Bank that it now has two home signals, WK7 a two aspect signal showing red & green ? ( replacing the earlier British Rail fixed red with a single yellow above or below it- I think that's right ) and a new signal WK700 which also shows red & green plus single yellow which I guess would switch on when the stop signal above goes to green and WK7 is at red which nearly conforms with standard LT Practice _ so when and why was this change done ? As an aside after Moorgate I thought green was no longer used approaching terminal stations so is the diagram wrong or have the Rules been changed ?
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Post by naz on Apr 6, 2016 20:35:39 GMT
Hi-When the central line was re-signalled in the early nineties I must admit I only took a slight interest in it however just recently I have taken more interest it, much has been written in the pages of this forum and elsewhere on the ATP side of things but little about the colour light signals . From what I have already read and seen from the train window and standing on the station platforms main running signals are either two aspect red & green and three aspect red, white & green.. Now green on either signal means line clear as far as the next signal ? while white means a train might be brought to a stand at a block marker board between two signals ? So a two aspect signal has no block marker boards ahead of it true or false ?so what is the criteria for installing two or three aspect signals at specific locations or the number of signals that may be between two stations ,if anyone would like to add to or correct anything here please do I would like to know more.
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Post by naz on Mar 7, 2016 16:02:11 GMT
Hi-Thanks for the info, looks like its only a matter of time before the next crossover is it 10 or 12 ( I am in a library )is removed also, as it must be just as old as no-11 . Now I know why the single red stop lights are so far up the line, if sand drags had been put there behind the twin red lights would the line speed need to be reduced ?
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Post by naz on Mar 2, 2016 15:42:16 GMT
just recently I noticed that the old no11 crossover has been removed from Epping station and plain lined , the conductor rails had not been put back when and why has this been done ? which begs the question why they retained at all ? and the single red stop lamps so far up the line is this for engineers use?.
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Post by naz on Oct 30, 2015 12:37:32 GMT
Hi-About thirty years ago (or more )the now dispanded ongar and district MRC built a fine scale model of both ongar station and Blake Hall some 30 feet in length. When i joined the club in 1991 they had already donated the ongar end of the layout to who ? what became of it was it scrapped ? i own the Blake Hall half some of you may have seen it at Chelmsford exhibition last weekend i would like to reunite them if i can.
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Post by naz on Aug 29, 2015 13:47:55 GMT
Hi-who makes suitable upper case white decals or letters for typical LT station platform nameboards? as time is running out for chelmsford show at the end october as my layout of Blake hall will be there i hope!!
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Post by naz on Aug 22, 2015 14:23:53 GMT
Hi- Sorry about the false start above I was on a public library computer and the time had expired and in effort to save it until today made a mistake and sent it instead. So what I would like to know is around late 1980 /early 1981 just before Bakerloo trains ceased the platform starters at Watford junction were renewed with new 2-aspect signals with the red marker light on a 2 aspect head with the lower one blanked off . When and why ? were they put in they had a very short life being replaced by 3-aspect signals without marker lights around 1985 ? I have seen just one photo of platforms 1&2 being so treated were platforms 3&4 also done ? any more photos and info on this subject I would like to hear from anyone.
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Post by naz on Aug 21, 2015 11:16:01 GMT
Hi-Just before Bakerloo services finished around 1980/81 the orignal
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