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Post by waysider on Apr 8, 2018 8:31:56 GMT
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Post by naz on Apr 8, 2018 10:45:40 GMT
This looks all very smart and modern! This station which is only a few miles from where I live has not changed much over the years apart from changes of ownership with new station name boards , posters etc.. together with a lick of paint here and there. It retained its old Great Eastern Feel right up to recent years Since it reopened in 1960. Since TFL took over this station it is now manned right up till the last train around midnight not so in the past however. I used this station at odd times on Thursday nights whenever there was engineering works on the Lea valley line when trains were diverted along this route. This side of Waltham cross is very quiet late at night and still has no buses after eleven . I was very often the only person waiting for the last train which was very often late and it could be a very spooky place to be on your own !
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Post by croxleyn on Apr 8, 2018 17:29:35 GMT
Why has it got a ticket office (or whatever they might wish to call it)? The "Public-side" window at Croxley was bricked up some years ago: if you want to speak to the human presence, they're invariably in the office, which is a reasonable place to be, but you have to crane yourself across the gate line to shout and try to attract their attention via the excess fares window...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:22:40 GMT
Why has it got a ticket office (or whatever they might wish to call it)? The "Public-side" window at Croxley was bricked up some years ago: if you want to speak to the human presence, they're invariably in the office, which is a reasonable place to be, but you have to crane yourself across the gate line to shout and try to attract their attention via the excess fares window... Because it is not Underground but National Rail? |
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Post by straphanger on Apr 11, 2018 16:18:16 GMT
I used to use Theobalds Grove every weekday. It was a bit grim, looks much nicer now.
I hope the works extended to ways to remove the smell that made you think the staircases were home to a herd of incontinent elephants. Sadly, I doubt it.
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Post by phil on Apr 12, 2018 22:25:11 GMT
Why has it got a ticket office (or whatever they might wish to call it)? The "Public-side" window at Croxley was bricked up some years ago: if you want to speak to the human presence, they're invariably in the office, which is a reasonable place to be, but you have to crane yourself across the gate line to shout and try to attract their attention via the excess fares window... It is an OBLIGATION for operators on the National Rail network to retain ticket offices where they exist and to continue to sell tickets between any station in the United Kingdom. Yes that means you good walk up to the Thebolds Grove and make them sell you a ticket for a trip between Inverness and Wick should you so wish. If a National Rail TOC wants to amend the opening hours from what they inherited then they must go through extensive consultation with stakeholders and I believe get permission from the DfT as in many cases the opening hours are specified in the franchise contracts. In short, despite what the Mayor and TfL may like to pretend, they have relatively little ability to influence / do anything radical to ticket matters on National Rail services they run - which will in future also include Crossrail West of Paddington and East of Liverpool Street as well as London Overground. By contrast TfL can do what they like on the Underground - which was why the removal of ticket offices was easy to do once Trade Union opposition had been neutralised. |
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Post by waysider on Apr 17, 2018 12:46:53 GMT
Theobalds Grove station early in the evening ...a nice glow to the place now - note the illuminated OVERGROUND bullseye, one of the few on this line that have been actually switched on  Theobalds Grove station aglow in the evening by james tuite, on Flickr Edited by Londonstuff to embed the picture. After a detailed and comprehensive tutorial, waysider is now (hopefully) also able to do it  |
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Post by jukes on Apr 17, 2018 15:09:58 GMT
Why has it got a ticket office (or whatever they might wish to call it)? The "Public-side" window at Croxley was bricked up some years ago: if you want to speak to the human presence, they're invariably in the office, which is a reasonable place to be, but you have to crane yourself across the gate line to shout and try to attract their attention via the excess fares window... It is an OBLIGATION for operators on the National Rail network to retain ticket offices where they exist and to continue to sell tickets between any station in the United Kingdom. Yes that means you good walk up to the Thebolds Grove and make them sell you a ticket for a trip between Inverness and Wick should you so wish. If a National Rail TOC wants to amend the opening hours from what they inherited then they must go through extensive consultation with stakeholders and I believe get permission from the DfT as in many cases the opening hours are specified in the franchise contracts. In short, despite what the Mayor and TfL may like to pretend, they have relatively little ability to influence / do anything radical to ticket matters on National Rail services they run - which will in future also include Crossrail West of Paddington and East of Liverpool Street as well as London Overground. By contrast TfL can do what they like on the Underground - which was why the removal of ticket offices was easy to do once Trade Union opposition had been neutralised. TfL included a priced option in their 2015 Concession Agreement which ARL eventually won. That option was to close 'some' or 'all' ticket offices at Overground stations. They are now in the process of implementing the 'some' part of that option. If they were not able to do this, their legal boys/girls would have pointed it out prior to ITT stage. The concession document is in the public domain including that priced option, and nobody not even the unions objected until ARL was instructed by TfL to implement the 'some' part of the priced option. |
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Post by phil on Apr 17, 2018 18:50:09 GMT
It is an OBLIGATION for operators on the National Rail network to retain ticket offices where they exist and to continue to sell tickets between any station in the United Kingdom. Yes that means you good walk up to the Thebolds Grove and make them sell you a ticket for a trip between Inverness and Wick should you so wish. If a National Rail TOC wants to amend the opening hours from what they inherited then they must go through extensive consultation with stakeholders and I believe get permission from the DfT as in many cases the opening hours are specified in the franchise contracts. In short, despite what the Mayor and TfL may like to pretend, they have relatively little ability to influence / do anything radical to ticket matters on National Rail services they run - which will in future also include Crossrail West of Paddington and East of Liverpool Street as well as London Overground. By contrast TfL can do what they like on the Underground - which was why the removal of ticket offices was easy to do once Trade Union opposition had been neutralised. TfL included a priced option in their 2015 Concession Agreement which ARL eventually won. That option was to close 'some' or 'all' ticket offices at Overground stations. They are now in the process of implementing the 'some' part of that option. If they were not able to do this, their legal boys/girls would have pointed it out prior to ITT stage. The concession document is in the public domain including that priced option, and nobody not even the unions objected until ARL was instructed by TfL to implement the 'some' part of the priced option. But the point is that such a thing was included in the concession agreement - and like a regular franchise, TfL cannot on their own, change things mid contract. By contrast with the Underground or DLR a new Mayor can simply issue an edict to 'make it so' and it can immediately be acted on. Ticket office closures are not 'prohibited' by National Rail operators - but they do require to be planned in (even as only 'priced options') during the bidding stage. The organisation running the bidding contest however has an obligation to consult the public on what is proposed and a bid that goes against the public mood should in theory be rejected over one that does. Generally the public are opposed to ticket office closures (as research by passenger focus shows) - though it is also true that many folk confuse 'no ticket office' with 'unstaffed' when this is not always the case. |
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Post by jukes on Apr 17, 2018 20:33:26 GMT
Actually TfL CAN do this. It was a priced option (in the ITT), which was accepted by ARL (and all other bidders) and included in the final concession document, and TfL have now instructed (as they are legally entitled to do) ARL to put aspects of that option into effect. The same thing happened in the previous concession with LOROL when TfL invoked a priced option to eliminate Guards from all remaining non-DOO trains such as the NLL and GOBLIN. LOROL did as they were instructed as the option formed part of the concession agreement.
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20170530_203857 by james tuite, on Flickr
20170530_203917 by james tuite, on Flickr
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