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Post by 21146 on Dec 8, 2008 20:13:05 GMT
Stratford's new LO platforms seemed more or less complete today, platforms and canopy built, track laid; though with a lot of detail work still required. Will they really open in just four weeks' time though? The new 1 & 2 are "logically" next to plaform 12!
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Post by 21146 on Dec 9, 2008 19:24:06 GMT
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Post by miztert on Dec 9, 2008 19:38:25 GMT
Can't see why not. I presume that the DLR will want to get started fairly quickly on work along the current - though soon to be vacated - alignment of the NLL through Stratford station for their Stratford International extension. |
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Post by 21146 on Dec 9, 2008 19:52:37 GMT
Well the LO man on the 'old' plat 1 & 2 was sceptical that it would all be finished in 4 weeks' time. Hardly a convenient location for most passengers either though at least the need to shunt when reversing will be removed.
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Post by Chris W on Dec 9, 2008 21:57:25 GMT
I read about this in the most recent edition of RAIL (p22 of edition 606) I took some photos a few weeks ago during October as work was progressing: cjw.fpic.co.uk/c1324812.htmlYou may need to scroll two thirds of the way down the page, but feel free to have a look  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2008 22:45:02 GMT
Well the LO man on the 'old' plat 1 & 2 was sceptical that it would all be finished in 4 weeks' time. Hardly a convenient location for most passengers either though at least the need to shunt when reversing will be removed. The idea the center of the station will move north when the station is finished. People like me cant wait as the new northern entrance will mean its quicker to get to the station. |
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Post by 21146 on Dec 10, 2008 17:03:35 GMT
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 10, 2008 18:05:54 GMT
I presume that the DLR will want to get started fairly quickly on work along the current - though soon to be vacated - alignment of the NLL through Stratford station for their Stratford International extension. What work has to be done on the old platforms (apart from replacing the track) to convert them to DLR? |
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Post by cetacean on Dec 10, 2008 18:48:13 GMT
They're building straight platforms south of the station building rather than using the curved ones within the building. I wouldn't be surprised if they basically demolish everything and start again.
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Post by vitesse on Dec 16, 2008 9:06:35 GMT
Hardly a convenient location for most passengers either though at least the need to shunt when reversing will be removed. IMO its better having the shunt and coming back in on the WB platform, rush hour is nightmare and there was an incident a short while back when a train reversed from the EB platform where people where piling off and on leading to a gentleman falling between the train and the platform....of course inconsiderate commuters were just stepping over him. At least as it is now people all get off on one side and then all get on to an empty train on the other side |
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 16, 2008 20:10:07 GMT
IMO its better having the shunt and coming back in on the WB platform, rush hour is nightmare and there was an incident a short while back when a train reversed from the EB platform where people where piling off and on leading to a gentleman falling between the train and the platform....of course inconsiderate commuters were just stepping over him. But couldn't that happen on any busy station? I think that reversing in a platform is better, because it takes time to make sure there is no one on the train, and then reverse in a siding. |
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Post by madonion on Dec 17, 2008 9:53:02 GMT
urgh stratford is so complicated it confuses me lol.
i should really know this but what is that single track that runs right into the middle of the station. it's kinda unbelievable that it's there cause it really makes moving around the station much harder.
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Post by miztert on Dec 17, 2008 11:30:42 GMT
urgh stratford is so complicated it confuses me lol. i should really know this but what is that single track that runs right into the middle of the station. it's kinda unbelievable that it's there cause it really makes moving around the station much harder. It's a double-track railway, and it's the North London Line (NLL) which runs along an orbital route between Stratford and Richmond (it's operated by London Overground). The line was there well before the concourse ever was - afaraid I don't know when the so called 'low level platforms' in Stratford date from but I think it's sometime between the mid to late 1800's. They used to predominantly be in the open air - this is how they looked in the late 1980's: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Class-416-pass-Stratford-NLL-B4-JLE.jpgSo you can see things have changed a lot since then - the concourse that surrounds the line was built when the Stratford station got rebuilt as part of the Jubilee line extension project. The NLL is moving to new high-level platforms on the north side of the station, and its old alignment through the concourse is going to be used for the new DLR branch between Stratford International station (not far north of the existing station) and Canning Town - basically the DLR is taking over a bit of the NLL that closed back in December 2006. I understand that the DLR platforms are actually going to be a little south of where the current NLL platforms are, but the line that cuts through the concourse will stay though it'll be used by DLR trains instead of NLL ones. |
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Post by madonion on Dec 17, 2008 11:52:43 GMT
ah i see. I really need to pay attention. I didn't even realise it went out of the concourse on both sides, I thought it was some kind of terminating platform. (well I know it is now because the NLL doesn't go beyond stratford)
well anyway it seems weird have track going right through the middle of the station and it will be even weirder with the dlr I think.
shouldn't they put in a tunnel or something? :S
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 17, 2008 18:49:23 GMT
If the DLR is going to use the middle platforms when the Stratford International extension opens, then what is going to happen to 4a and 4b?
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 17, 2008 18:54:41 GMT
Oh wait? I didnt think that platforms 1 and 2 (that cut through the concourse) will only be used by DLR trains for Stratford Intl.
So does that mean that 4a and 4b will stay and will be used for terminating DLR trains coming from Canary Wharf and 1 and 2 will be for DLR trains coming from Canning Town for Stratford Intl
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 17, 2008 19:04:56 GMT
So does that mean that 4a and 4b will stay and will be used for terminating DLR trains coming from Canary Wharf and 1 and 2 will be for DLR trains coming from Canning Town for Stratford Intl Yes, as there won't be a connection between the two DLR lines at Stratford, although the new Overground platforms will be 1 and 2 so the DLR Stratford International platforms will need to be renumbered. |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 17, 2008 19:09:20 GMT
Thanks for that
Platform numbering at Stratford seems hard
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Post by superteacher on Dec 17, 2008 19:51:58 GMT
Thanks for that Platform numbering at Stratford seems hard The Stratford platform numbering has always been confusing - I lost the will to live when they made a platform called 10a! There was also once a platform 7, which was another bay road between the Central line eastbound and Shenfleld line platforms. But all these a's and b's are confusing - they really need to start from scratch and renumber the place completely! |
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Post by 21146 on Dec 18, 2008 0:55:37 GMT
Thanks for that Platform numbering at Stratford seems hard The Stratford platform numbering has always been confusing - I lost the will to live when they made a platform called 10a! There was also once a platform 7, which was another bay road between the Central line eastbound and Shenfleld line platforms. But all these a's and b's are confusing - they really need to start from scratch and renumber the place completely! The signage is also a confusing mix of TFL, NSE, One and NatEx styles |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 7:46:59 GMT
Aren't they renumbering the platforms when they've finished the works?
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Post by miztert on Dec 18, 2008 9:57:14 GMT
Aren't they renumbering the platforms when they've finished the works? I understand that's the plan - all ready in time for the Olympics. |
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 18, 2008 18:10:28 GMT
I think that the low level platforms at Stratford (Stratford International DLR & Jubilee line) should use letters, and the other platforms should be renumbered, with 1 & 2 being the DLR platforms, platform 3 the new Central line WB one, etc.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 18, 2008 19:48:47 GMT
I think thats a good idea astock5000, it will be similar to the First Capital Connect platforms at St Pancras International. I think they really do need to start from scratch and get rid of all the old signage Hopefully it will all be done before the Olympics  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2008 2:35:48 GMT
If the DLR is going to use the middle platforms when the Stratford International extension opens, then what is going to happen to 4a and 4b? The DLR will use both. The new platforms will be for trains from Woolwich Arsenal along the old National Rail alignment from Canning Town. 4a/4b are for the existing line from Poplar. |
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Post by towerman on Dec 23, 2008 19:41:18 GMT
The new Overground platforms must be due to open soon,noticed the lighting was switched on tonight.
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Post by Tom on Dec 23, 2008 20:35:51 GMT
Aren't they renumbering the platforms when they've finished the works? I understand that's the plan - all ready in time for the Olympics. If that is the plan, they're yet to tell Metronet. Having been involved in the renaming of Shepherd's Bush (H&C) it isn't a two minute job! |
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Post by vitesse on Dec 24, 2008 15:18:56 GMT
The new Overground platforms must be due to open soon,noticed the lighting was switched on tonight. January I believe....was given a date but cant remember it  The thing that will be entertaining is that we dont sign the route yet...apparently some of our guys have walked the route from the junction up onto the high level and are going to conduct us from Hackney Wick (if i remember correctly) until we sign the high level, presumably only take like 2 goes to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2008 21:28:45 GMT
The new Overground platforms must be due to open soon,noticed the lighting was switched on tonight. January I believe....was given a date but cant remember it The thing that will be entertaining is that we dont sign the route yet...apparently some of our guys have walked the route from the junction up onto the high level and are going to conduct us from Hackney Wick (if i remember correctly) until we sign the high level, presumably only take like 2 goes to do. Typical railway is the new platforms at Stratford. As most of you will probably not know the date of 2 January 2009 for the opening was rather stretching it a bit. After dishing out 4,000 plus leaflets letting everybody know, after putting up posters at all of the LOROL stations letting passengers know, LOROL have finally accepted that after top level meetings with TFL, with Network Rail and then the Department of Transport that the date be put back to an as yet unspecified date in........................FEBRUARY................maybe. This has reprocussions on the Docklands Light Railway who wanted to start the work modifying the low level platforms. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2008 22:23:45 GMT
I understand that's the plan - all ready in time for the Olympics. If that is the plan, they're yet to tell Metronet. Having been involved in the renaming of Shepherd's Bush (H&C) it isn't a two minute job! Why would Metronet be told? The part where the Central calls is the NR/NXEA side where as the Jubilee (and in 2010 DLR) call is the TfL side? |
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