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Post by District Dave on Mar 6, 2007 20:13:57 GMT
Unfortunately he's been unwell - was taken ill at work a week or so ago. I beleive he's now back at home.
But - the following is the last list I've been passed (this was about a month ago):
Train 40 7022 7091 AWAY
Train 41 7054 7111
Train 42 7126 7075
Train 43 7068 7065
Train 44 7516 7506
Train 45 7092 7043
Train 46 7050 7079
Train 47 7108 7083
Train 48 7064
Train 49
Train 50 7526 75xx
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2007 21:20:56 GMT
I feel a bit bad now, my last post was in jest as I wasn't aware he was unwell. Thanks for the update anyway, although it may have been altered from plans as I was on 7064 yesterday and it is refurbed.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 6, 2007 21:43:44 GMT
I don't think you need to worry Jim - I'm sure he'd have done the same to us!
As you say, looks like the plan's have been changed since 'my' list was produced.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2007 17:05:59 GMT
DDM at Ealing Common told me last night that we now have 40 refurbs in service.
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Post by prjb on Mar 8, 2007 20:06:31 GMT
That's not strictly true, we actually have thirtynine and a half in London with one unit due back shortly to make the forty. We carried out a second practical completion inspection today, with train 14 the first double ender. We also looked at train 12 too, overrall they are holding up pretty well. The only thing we found was some excessive play in the new drivers seat, but this was minimal and no different to seats on other stock.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2007 1:16:52 GMT
Drivers don't play in their seat, do they?  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 14, 2007 18:01:09 GMT
Yes, I have indeed been unwell. As Dave says I was taken away by ambulance from Earl's Court on 25Feb after suffering with chest pains. Thankfully it was only a viral infection. I have now fully recovered and returned to work yesterday. Thank you Jim & Dave for your concern.
7064 was indeed already dealt with as refurb train36.
To catch up, with the little info I have:
train38 7510+7515
train39 7102+7101
train40 7022+7091 back in service
train41 7054+7111
train42 7038 (2x 'A' ends) Derby
train42 7126 (2x 'A' ends) Derby
Trains planned to go away are continually swapped over just prior to dispatch from ECom, units that require attention to the wooden floors are taking priority. Which is why de-icers 7022/7038 went, after express requests NOT to send any away during winter.
Unit 7510 retained its LED outside door-fault lights upon refurb.
As units 7091 and 7514 are now refurbished there are now no un-refurbished units with painted grey roofs.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 14, 2007 20:01:26 GMT
Glad to see you back in the saddle - I trust there's no ill effects.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2007 15:30:57 GMT
Glad your Ok 7080, and thanks for the update.
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Post by prjb on Mar 24, 2007 14:04:30 GMT
I travelled home on 7111 yesterday and it looked in spanking condition, they hadn't even fitted advertisments before putting it into service. I noted the unit number with the intention of checking where it was in the refurb program on Monday. I don't need to bother now because as per usual it is easier to check this forum (even for those on the project team!), so it seems we have 41 trains back then.
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Post by DWS on Mar 24, 2007 18:16:08 GMT
Only problem with the refurbs is they still leak water in heavy rain, I was travelling in one a few months ago when I felt water dripping down my neck, I changed cars at the next station and I was the same in that one.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 25, 2007 8:43:03 GMT
Not to mention the floods of water that come under the 'M' door when it rains - woe betide if you've left your bag in that area!
The floors get very slippery - there have been a number if instances of T/Ops taking a tumble.
Oh, and there's no longer a 'lip' on the floor under the 'J' door either - so spilt fluids flow freely into the cabs from that direction too.
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Post by TMBA on Mar 25, 2007 9:54:40 GMT
Just to add to that, before they went away, the 'N & O' cab doors had a gap because of the brushes that replaced the infamous rubber seal, which used inflate and completely seal the 'N & O' cab doors creating a fairly quite cab. They replaced the rubber seals with brushes because of certain people who used to get off on piercing the seals and the cost of replacing the rubber etc. You would have thought however that refurbs meant refurb but no they still come back with the gaps still there, and however many times its reported by myself because it creates quite a draft no one seems to acknowledge this problem as usual  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2007 13:42:39 GMT
Oh, and there's no longer a 'lip' on the floor under the 'J' door either - so spilt fluids flow freely into the cabs from that direction too. Yes, nasty, I had to use hot water from Mansion House Tea point once to rinse out a cab where vomit had ran in. |
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Post by solidbond on Mar 25, 2007 14:38:38 GMT
Oh, and there's no longer a 'lip' on the floor under the 'J' door either - so spilt fluids flow freely into the cabs from that direction too. It seems that the 'lip' was not acceptable as it was a trip hazard - nothing higher than 3 mm is allowed  |
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Post by Chris W on Mar 25, 2007 14:50:49 GMT
It seems that the 'lip' was not acceptable as it was a trip hazard - nothing higher than 3 mm is allowed Nice  So you're not allowed to have a trip hazard, but a slip hazard is ok |
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Post by District Dave on Mar 25, 2007 15:05:40 GMT
It seems that the 'lip' was not acceptable as it was a trip hazard - nothing higher than 3 mm is allowed Now , perhaps this is a stupid observation but..... Before the trains were refurbished didn't they have this 'lip' installed and, IIRC, I don't recall of ever hearing of anyone tripping over it or it being declared a H&S hazard? So, this being the case, surely begs the question 'what's changed?' |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2007 15:17:22 GMT
Am I missing something? A 2mm lip would at least stop most liquids from running into the cab, atm we have nothing.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 25, 2007 19:38:50 GMT
Am I missing something? A 2mm lip would at least stop most liquids from running into the cab, atm we have nothing. No Jim, you're missing nothing. It would have to be a veritable tidal wave of coffee, Red Bull, soft drinks ex-McDonalds, Stella Artois, vomit (allocate time of day as appropriate) for that to not be adequate. I don't do 'militant' - but this is a case of two steps back - and I intend posing the question to my H&S rep at the next opportunity. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2007 20:56:14 GMT
Oh, and there's no longer a 'lip' on the floor under the 'J' door either - so spilt fluids flow freely into the cabs from that direction too. Yes, nasty, I had to use hot water from Mansion House Tea point once to rinse out a cab where vomit had ran in. Yuk. I hope you took it out of service. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2007 17:36:30 GMT
Yes, nasty, I had to use hot water from Mansion House Tea point once to rinse out a cab where vomit had ran in. Yuk. I hope you took it out of service. In actual fact I kept it going, I only had to go to Ealing from that cab and after a good rinse with boiled water it was OK, it was back to Upminster to finish. I have been keeping refurbs in service in case I get a non refurb as a changeover, and what I say about refurbs I still prefer them to the non refurbs. |
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Post by prjb on Mar 26, 2007 21:34:17 GMT
Ok, Ok!! Let me talk to the project team about this and get back to you. My CPO contact for refurb 'D' is currently off sick but when he gets back (hopefully this week) I will see what can be done. It is a problem and all parties concerned have acknowledged this, I can't promise miracles but I can ask the questions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2007 22:22:57 GMT
I thought vomit anywhere in the saloon was now OOS.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 27, 2007 14:13:14 GMT
Ok, Ok!! Let me talk to the project team about this and get back to you. My CPO contact for refurb 'D' is currently off sick but when he gets back (hopefully this week) I will see what can be done. It is a problem and all parties concerned have acknowledged this, I can't promise miracles but I can ask the questions. Thanks prjb - it's nice to know who to speak too about these matters  Anyway - whilst on the subject of the refurbs, the following list has just dropped into my Inbox........ Train DM Trailer UNDM UNDM Trailer DM Released to Fleet 1 7002 17002 8002 8021 17021 7021 01/06/2005 2 7012 17012 8012 8081 17081 7081 01/06/2005 3 7074 17074 8074 8003 17003 7003 01/06/2005 4 7088 17088 8088 8005 17005 7005 24/08/2005 5 7106 17106 8106 8119 17119 7119 23/09/2005 6 7116 17116 8116 8027 17027 7027 19/10/2005 7 7124 17124 8124 8047 17047 7047 10/11/2005 8 7114 17114 8114 8107 17107 7107 23/11/2005 9 7104 17104 8104 8061 17061 7061 09/12/2005 10 7098 17098 8098 8037 17037 7037 28/12/2005 11 7110 17110 8110 8015 17015 7015 26/01/2006 12 7118 17118 8118 8099 17099 7099 09/02/2006 13 7120 17120 8120 8031 17031 7031 20/02/2006 14 7508 17508 7509 7528 17528 7529 10/03/2006 15 7090 17090 8090 8033 17033 7033 17/03/2006 16 7082 17082 8082 8007 17007 7007 28/03/2006 17 7086 17086 8086 8001 17001 7001 02/04/2006 18 7052 17052 8052 8125 17125 7125 08/05/2006 19 7058 17058 8058 8129 17129 7129 18/05/2006 20 7518 17519 7519 7522 17522 7523 02/06/2006 21 7084 17084 8084 8069 17069 7069 27/06/06 //22/06/06 22 7076 17076 8076 8049 17049 7049 06/07/06 //03/07/06 23 7122 17122 8122 8057 17057 7057 14/07/06 //18/07/06 24 7006 17006 8006 8045 17045 7045 28/07/06 // 03/08/06 25 7014 17014 8014 8127 17127 7127 16/08/06//21/08/06 26 7536 17536 7537 7500 17500 7501 01/09/06//06/09/06 27 7016 17016 8016 8087 17087 7087 13/09/06//19/09/06 28 7020 17020 8020 8019 17019 7019 27/09/06//05/10/06 29 7032 17032 8032 8117 17117 7117 09/10/06//12/10/06 30 7000 17000 8000 8085 17085 7085 18/10/06//25/10/06 31 7004 17004 8004 8121 17121 7121 02/11/06//08/11/06 32 7520 17520 7521 7513 17512 7512 20/11/06//24/11/06 33 7096 17096 8096 8029 17029 7029 29/11/06//04/12/06 34 7024 17024 8024 8105 17105 7105 08/12/06//13/12/06 35 7062 17062 8062 8113 17113 7113 19/12/06// 22/12/06 36 7072 17072 8072 8064 17064 7064 10/01/07//16/01/07 37 7041 17041 8041 8013 17013 7013 24/01/07//29/01/07 38 7510 17510 7511 7515 17514 7514 05/02/07/ 12/02/07 39 7102 17102 8102 8101 17101 7101 23/02/07 19/02/07 40 7022 17022 8022 8091 17091 7091 03/03/07 08/03/07 41 7054 17054 8054 8111 17111 7111 13/03/07 19/03/07 42 7038 17038 8038 8126 17126 7126 AT DERBY 43 7065 17065 8065 8075 17075 7075 AT DERBY 44 7516 17516 7517 7507 17506 7506 AT DERBY 45 7092 17092 8092 8043 17043 7043 46 7050 17050 8050 8079 17079 7079 47 7108 17108 8108 8083 17083 7083 48 7064 17064 8064 8035 17035 7035 Apologies that the alignment isn't great - but I'm sure you get the gist; just done an 0445 start and am knackered rather tired! |
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Post by prjb on Apr 3, 2007 21:56:41 GMT
Just to let everyone know, my CPO contact is still off sick but this is on my list of things to 'bash him over the head with' when he returns.  |
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Post by edb on Apr 3, 2007 22:06:56 GMT
Sorry to stick my awe in, but i noticed the gap the other day and i can help but think, whats would be wrong with a rubber wiper. that would do the same job?
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Post by prjb on Apr 3, 2007 22:37:41 GMT
I believe that they wear out and are prone to breaking off.
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Post by prjb on Apr 10, 2007 20:14:14 GMT
Ok. I have spoken to my CPO colleague and it breaks down like this; We are going to get a price from MRSSL for putting a 'lip' back in, as a 'lip' (similar to what was there pre-refurb - yes I know!) seems to be the only viable option. Once I have this figure I will take it to my boss and try to see if we can get a business case for it. The figure will be hefty (LU staff - PM me if you want to know!) mainly because we have to subsidise the fact that these trains will not be available for service whilst the work is being carried out. I'm not saying it's going to happen but I am saying that I will give it a good run for it's money, but ultimately it is money that will be the deciding factor here. I am also going to 'bang the drum' with senior District line managers in order to try and get some high level support (that can't harm the business case!). Whilst I wasn't in the department when 'D' Stock refurb was in the planning stage, I am here now and acknowledge that this hasn't gone well in this area . I can say that the original project team for this refurb had the best of intentions here, looking for a clear detrainment throughway with no tripping hazard etc. I will do the best I can but can't promise anything at this stage other than to say I will keep you all posted. |
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Post by District Dave on Apr 10, 2007 20:24:37 GMT
That sounds all good prjb, and thanks for your efforts.
I think you know those of us here who can add support to the case.
From a business case point of view, I think I'd personally take the position that it was a defect in the spec, and therefore the reinstatement (for that is what it is) should not be to the cost of LU!
An option of course is that each time there is an ingress of fluids under the J door the train should be withdrawn from service, as the nature of the fluid is unknown?
Perhaps 'devils advocate', but a design fault - a recall is needed!!
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Post by compsci on Apr 10, 2007 20:33:03 GMT
If it's absolutely necessary to have no tripping hazards for a detrainment, would a folding lip of some kind be possible?
Or what about a rubber seal on the bottom of the door to fill the gap? That would probably be easier to retrofit without taking a train out of service for a prolonged period.
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So you're not allowed to have a trip hazard, but a slip hazard is ok 
