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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2006 16:20:24 GMT
Any ideas what the 2009TS will sound like? (Like LT1996 hopefully?!) ;D It won't sound like a 1996 stock, as the 2009 stock will use IGBT technology instead of the older GTO technology. At a guess, it will probably sound similar to an Electrostar or other recently built Bombardier EMUs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2006 16:49:09 GMT
Any ideas what the 2009TS will sound like? (Like LT1996 hopefully?!) ;D It won't sound like a 1996 stock, as the 2009 stock will use IGBT technology instead of the older GTO technology. At a guess, it will probably sound similar to an Electrostar or other recently built Bombardier EMUs. IGBTs are in the 1995s IIRC, so get down on the Northern and listen to those. Much better sound anyway than the 96s! That gear-changing noise drives me round the bend! Btw, what's in the 92s? They don't screech like the 96s! Edit: And I agree, 2009 stock look better than the current 'fly' design. But let's not pass judgement, the S stock hasn't been finalised yet, there is hope.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2006 0:50:37 GMT
I like the new 09TS look, as for the S stock, I don't like... I like D78 Refurb!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2006 20:34:35 GMT
Btw, what's in the 92s? They don't screech like the 96s! The 92s also have GTOs. The noise is made by the variable voltage and frequency in the GTO thyristors. There are many variables in different models, and manufacturers designs of GTO and IGBT motors, which result in the different noises. It can be easily noticed that Siemens Desiros sound very different to Bombardier Electrostars despite them both using IGBTs. Trying not to sound sad, but I really like the sound of Prague's newish M1 trains on Line C.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2006 22:27:23 GMT
Saw somewhere on the web, on a site in German, that the prototypes are 2006 stock. I thought they were all 2009 stock. Was I mistaken?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2006 22:56:40 GMT
Saw somewhere on the web, on a site in German, that the prototypes are 2006 stock. I thought they were all 2009 stock. Was I mistaken? 1)They are all 2009 stock. 2)The first two trains are not really prototypes, they are pre-production trains.
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Post by towerman on Sept 19, 2006 19:00:38 GMT
Will they be part of the fleet when all the testing is over?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2006 19:13:00 GMT
and what is the fate of the CAT carriage?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2006 21:23:21 GMT
Will they be part of the fleet when all the testing is over? Yes
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Post by Colin on Sept 19, 2006 22:26:46 GMT
and what is the fate of the CAT carriage? It wasn't a proper carriage by any means - infact it wasn't even full length. I'd imagine that if it's not used by the museum or such, it'll just end up in a rubbish tip somewhere
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Post by donnytom on Sept 20, 2006 10:00:27 GMT
Saw somewhere on the web, on a site in German, that the prototypes are 2006 stock. I thought they were all 2009 stock. Was I mistaken? If someone was typing the number on the separate number-pad, they might have missed the 9 and pressed the 6 instead? Seats aside, it looks like most people on here are keen to see the new stock, so I hope it doesn't disappoint! Is it likely to be modified when it enters service, like the changes to the refurbished D-stock, or are they likely to keep the specifications the same throughout?
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Post by Chris M on Sept 20, 2006 10:11:22 GMT
I suspect there might be small differences between the prototypes/pre-production cars and the standard ones - that is the point of having prototypes. Other than that I don't expect to see any changes to them until they come to be refurbished (hopefully not for a good number of years), when I imagine the same is likely to happen as with the Ds.
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Post by towerman on Sept 22, 2006 20:05:41 GMT
Looking at the Timetable Notices tonight,noticed there's a 8 car 67TS move from Northumberland Pk to Acton Works,then a 4 car back on the same night.Is this something to do with VLU?Can prjb enlighten us?
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Post by trc666 on Sept 22, 2006 20:29:22 GMT
Is the NPK-ACT 67 stock move actually tonight or another day? Any idea of timings?
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Post by prjb on Sept 22, 2006 21:47:26 GMT
The new trains look great. I prefer the 2009TS to the S stock though. Any ideas what the 2009TS will sound like? (Like LT1996 hopefully?!) ;D The 09ts at Deby sounds very smooth and quiet compared to the 95/96's.
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Post by prjb on Sept 22, 2006 21:50:46 GMT
Saw somewhere on the web, on a site in German, that the prototypes are 2006 stock. I thought they were all 2009 stock. Was I mistaken? 1)They are all 2009 stock. 2)The first two trains are not really prototypes, they are pre-production trains. Yes, they are all 09ts and the first two trains are pre-series. They will return to Derby on completion of testing (train 2 should enter passenger service) for refitting and will enter service as part of the main fleet.
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Post by prjb on Sept 22, 2006 21:52:32 GMT
and what is the fate of the CAT carriage? It wasn't a proper carriage by any means - infact it wasn't even full length. I'd imagine that if it's not used by the museum or such, it'll just end up in a rubbish tip somewhere It will eventually end up in the LT Musuem.
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Post by prjb on Sept 22, 2006 21:54:48 GMT
Looking at the Timetable Notices tonight,noticed there's a 8 car 67TS move from Northumberland Pk to Acton Works,then a 4 car back on the same night.Is this something to do with VLU?Can prjb enlighten us? Sorry, I'm on annual leave at the moment and using a dial-up computer as broadband hasn't hit Dartmoor yet!
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Post by towerman on Sept 22, 2006 21:55:28 GMT
It's on a Saturday evening,wont give times due to the open access nature of this site.
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Post by prjb on Oct 21, 2006 20:39:24 GMT
I havent seen it yet, but someone pleeease tell me that the stock will get comfortable seats. The average journey time on the vic may be 11 mins, but after walking down a long escalator and several passages and then waiting 5 mins for a train, something comfortable to sit on would be nice, and surely isnt too much to expect considering the amount of money that TfL is saying is being invested in the system? Now that the CAT has been completed any adverse comments on the seating will need to be addressed. I personally like a hard seat and found them to be perfectly ok, but thats just me. To be honest, I am not a fan of the universally popular 'A' stock springy seats so maybe I'm not the best judge. I don't have many details to share with you on this, but it seems that the 09ts seats have gone back for a redesign following the CAT results.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2006 20:45:58 GMT
finally some people power! it's excellent how you and the rest of the team respond to our complaints.
are they going to have the number inside the LT roundel still?
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Post by prjb on Oct 21, 2006 21:59:23 GMT
CAT results have driven our decision making process in this area. I am sure that I promised that CAT results would be taken seriously by both LU and the Infraco's and this is the proof of that. We have been, unfairly IMO, criticised as paying lip service with the CAT and treating it as a box ticking exercise - it genuinely is not true. The 38 style roundels for the car numbers are something I am hoping to see on 'S' Stock rather than 09ts. I am glad you reminded me though as I haven't spoken to the design guys for a while about this. You have jogged my memory, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2006 22:03:58 GMT
can we have other 38ts features too........ wood flooring, proper light bulbs, more transverse seating ;D no?
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Post by prjb on Oct 21, 2006 22:06:37 GMT
They were lovely, agreed. But lets face it, if we tried to recreate them we would just mess it up! ;D Leave us alone with our plastics and bolt on construction methods and you might end up with a half decent modern classic. Ok, I'm pushing my luck here admittedly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2006 22:10:02 GMT
although the 38 actually had major equipment problems when they were first introduced and the compressors had to be replaced because they were so tempramental.
Another thing I have learnt is that the 83ts was too big for the tunnels when first introduced and had to be sent back to rebuilt. ( and the faeces hit the fan moment!)
please, please don't mess it up like that!
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Post by bwhughes on Oct 23, 2006 21:08:52 GMT
In many cars there's plastic made to look like varnished wood.
Could that be a possibility for the 2009 TS? I hope Rob will find this reassuring!
Maybe the side panels only; the 'varnished wood' look would probably not look so good when dirty after being stood on by millions of passengers!
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Post by prjb on Oct 24, 2006 19:53:00 GMT
Unfortunately, wood interiors do not fit in with our desire to be 'world class'. They are lovely and whilst we (well, most of us!) at LU do respect our heritage this is something that will not be carried through to new stock. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2006 20:05:06 GMT
no, tacky plastic wood like you find in those Lexuses (lexi?) is very tacky and not going to be world class at all. that wood really won't do! perhaps in 2033 we will have an S stock in LT deep red for the 100 aniversary! I was only having a joke about the 38 because there is a reason we don't go round in cars with parts harking back to then or buses with parts based from the 30s isn't what we need.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2006 20:16:11 GMT
can we have other 38ts features too........ wood flooring, proper light bulbs, more transverse seating ;D no? It would be even better if we had a Craven Motor! Proper THRASH! that's 'Spark'fire!
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Post by prjb on Oct 25, 2006 19:58:52 GMT
Your right to mention heritage features, it is certainly important to me. It's just finding the right ones and then getting them to agree!
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