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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 16:46:06 GMT
There are some photos of the first car being built, went up today on Metronet. Also also their press release: www.metronetrail.com/?sID=1138976132453Well it all sounds good! Edited by colin - now shows pictures of a more acceptable size. Pictures borrowed from Metronet's website.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 17:22:56 GMT
Pics look good
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 18:58:21 GMT
The cab front looks a nice evolution of the 92TS one. A technicality-criticism could be that the windows are the old small ones (unlike those of the 92TS) but considering the line is all in tunnel I suppose there would be little point in larger ones!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 19:01:22 GMT
It likes nice and curvy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 20:34:46 GMT
Why all the grey below the cab windows, relegating the red to thin bits around the edges? They did that on the 92s and in my opinion it looks horrible.
Thanks for the interesting pics, Hardcastle.
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Post by ejitrafik on Feb 3, 2006 20:35:17 GMT
It doesn't look nice to me actually, I find the 95ts more 'pleasing' to the eye. Maybe because I like the 67ts, the thought of them being replaced by plastic makes me shiver.
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Post by towerman on Feb 3, 2006 21:27:56 GMT
That's what 67TS was called by the old hands when it first appeared."Won't last as long as the Standards" was the general concensus
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 22:19:17 GMT
I rather like the look of the new '09TS', they seem to have a bit more style about them than the (IMO) rather bland 95/6 stocks. Where will it go for testing?
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Post by Phil on Feb 3, 2006 22:26:28 GMT
Is it just me, or is there something spookily familiar with the 2009ts and this (ignoring the modern curved front) (this was Yerkes 1907ts)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 22:47:46 GMT
They should look quite good.
It'll be interesting to see how they perform when the first one arrives at northumberland park.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 3, 2006 23:08:01 GMT
Why all the grey below the cab windows, relegating the red to thin bits around the edges? I thought that the red front was analagous to the compusorary (sp?) yellow front on mainline stock - i.e. to make absolutely sure that you can see it comming. With that amount of grey I don't see how it can perform that function?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 23:36:41 GMT
I thought that the red front was analagous to the compusorary (sp?) yellow front on mainline stock - i.e. to make absolutely sure that you can see it comming. With that amount of grey I don't see how it can perform that function? Maybe the door will be red. Anyway, since the line is in tunnel you won't see what colour the front is painted. Presumably the headlights give warning of an approaching train. Btw - it's "compulsory"!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 0:03:03 GMT
Why all the grey below the cab windows, relegating the red to thin bits around the edges? I thought that the red front was analagous to the compusorary (sp?) yellow front on mainline stock - i.e. to make absolutely sure that you can see it comming. With that amount of grey I don't see how it can perform that function? Well, I've wondered that about the 92s on the Central with DO run on the surface. IIRC Network Rail have a 1m 2 minimum for the yellow panel, but presumably LU don't. At the risk of wandering far off topic, why are LU trains red at the front? This was started after yellow warning panels had been introduced on BR, so why did we choose to be different?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 0:15:43 GMT
At the risk of wandering far off topic, why are LU trains red at the front? This was started after yellow warning panels had been introduced on BR, so why did we choose to be different? Red is a danger signal, therefore an oncoming train is a danger signal ?? Yellow is a warning, so both mean the same sort of thing....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 1:43:38 GMT
Couldn't it just be that it's part of LU's livery? Is it definitely safety motivated?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 4:55:08 GMT
Is it just me, or is there something spookily familiar with the 2009ts and this (ignoring the modern curved front) (this was Yerkes 1907ts) You have no idea how tempting it is to email Metronet and ask them about it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 9:51:58 GMT
At the risk of wandering far off topic, why are LU trains red at the front? This was started after yellow warning panels had been introduced on BR, so why did we choose to be different? Red is a danger signal, therefore an oncoming train is a danger signal ?? Yellow is a warning, so both mean the same sort of thing.... BR's main idea of painting the front of trains yellow is to make them more visible, so doesn't really have much to do with yellow being a warning aspect so to speak. The red fronts of LU trains has always just been part of the livery I think. They just wouldn't look the same without it! Sam
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Post by Phil on Feb 4, 2006 10:22:59 GMT
As well as trackworkers on or near the line during running hours on NR, there are still many open foot crossings for the public. That's where the yellow panel (for visibility) came from - and as trains got faster it's also why high visibility headlights were introduced even for day use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 10:35:58 GMT
Even before high intensity headlights, the duller headlights on older trains were only so that people on or about the track could spot them, they were not there to illuminate the line in front of them!
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Post by dunois on Feb 4, 2006 11:31:19 GMT
Nice new stock but I must admit that I don't like the 92s like front. Apart from that everything is ok.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 11:52:17 GMT
The red fronts of LU trains has always just been part of the livery I think. Sam But they haven't - that's my point. They were all over unpainted aluminium, inlcuding the front, then they started putting red panels on the front long before the current red-blue-white was dreamt up
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Post by solidbond on Feb 15, 2006 0:25:35 GMT
Couldn't it just be that it's part of LU's livery? Is it definitely safety motivated? Ahh - but the red half front cabs were introduced with the 1973 stock, and were introduced purely to increase the sighting of the train by staff working on the track.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 0:39:58 GMT
There was also a trial red half front 62 stock, which I thought looked quite good, which ran on the Central line for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 11:29:19 GMT
Ahh - but the red half front cabs were introduced with the 1973 stock, and were introduced purely to increase the sighting of the train by staff working on the track. So the red fronts serve the same purpose as the yellow fronts on BR. But why did we choose red when yellow was already established on BR by 1973?
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Post by DWS on Feb 15, 2006 14:57:07 GMT
Ahh - but the red half front cabs were introduced with the 1973 stock, and were introduced purely to increase the sighting of the train by staff working on the track. So the red fronts serve the same purpose as the yellow fronts on BR. But why did we choose red when yellow was already established on BR by 1973? Well I remember when all London Underground trains were painted red. May be they had some cans of red paint in stock ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 16:26:49 GMT
So the red fronts serve the same purpose as the yellow fronts on BR. But why did we choose red when yellow was already established on BR by 1973? Well I remember when all London Underground trains were painted red. May be they had some cans of red paint in stock ;D Yeah! back to square one, all red fronts. I don't think the visibility factor was taken into consideration then or now. Yellow and black or red and white stripes have proved to be the most effective form, but is not aesthetically pleasing to the eye of the public.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2006 17:18:05 GMT
I think the front looks rather good. I prefer the appearance, internal and external, of 92ts to 95 and 96ts. The side windows on this 09ts don't look right though.
The forward, drivers, view from 67 & 72ts is excellent with the curved windows as is the view from D & C stock. The 92ts has a very restricted view, hope that this new stock will improve on that. Not sure what 95 & 96 are like.
At risk of wandering totally off thread, there is a 4 car 1972 Mk I set (unpainted) in Ruislip dt with an all red cab at one end. Why does it have a red cab at just the one end ?
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Post by ejitrafik on Feb 15, 2006 18:37:28 GMT
Due to filming on the Aldwych branch.
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Post by solidbond on Feb 15, 2006 19:21:36 GMT
There was also a trial red half front 62 stock, which I thought looked quite good, which ran on the Central line for a while. Ahh - you mean the one on my website (albeit in B&W) here ;D These were done after the 73 stock arrived, but there were only the 2 cabs done. I must agree - they did look good though.
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Post by towerman on Feb 15, 2006 20:10:24 GMT
The only trouble with the 62TS with the red cab ends was that they also coated the car bodies with some kind of sealent and it attracted dust and dirt,from then on both units were a dull grey colour.
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