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Post by hlsmith on Sept 7, 2006 13:25:21 GMT
From what I understand, it is re-opening on Monday 11th, but there won't be any razzamatazz.
Metronet have by all accounts completley replaced the entire track and the ride is so smooth that you could hold a cup of tea without spilling a drop on the whole journey.
Hopefully I will get a ride today or tomorrow and will report back.
I believe that at Waterloo it now has step free access, and platform humps, but try getting out at Bank!
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Post by hlsmith on Sept 7, 2006 13:28:25 GMT
I see the line is opening a week late, wasnt it originally meant to be reopening 4th september? Yes, when it first closed it was "until 3rd Spetember" but this was soon replaced by the more vague "until September". Still, one week slippage on a 22 week project isn't too bad. LU never gave a date for reopening, other than early September that was just Metronet - muppets |
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Post by Tom on Sept 7, 2006 20:07:09 GMT
From what I understand, it is re-opening on Monday 11th, but there won't be any razzamatazz. Metronet have by all accounts completley replaced the entire track and the ride is so smooth that you could hold a cup of tea without spilling a drop on the whole journey. Hopefully I will get a ride today or tomorrow and will report back. I believe that at Waterloo it now has step free access, and platform humps, but try getting out at Bank! I've been on 4 rounders so far and the ride is much better (but I wouldn't try the tea test). The step-free access works are still ongoing at Waterloo - they're a bit longer term than the W&C shutdown (and were done by Tubelines). Don't even get me started on the humps!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 20:13:56 GMT
have the Waterloo and City Line the same Track layout (a new Track Plan) or is the same before closure!
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Post by DWS on Sept 7, 2006 20:26:07 GMT
have the Waterloo and City Line the same Track layout (a new Track Plan) or is the same before closure! greetings Dennis Wenzel The track layout is still the same as before the shutdown. |
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Post by hlsmith on Sept 8, 2006 10:15:10 GMT
Just completed my third round trip. Very impressive. Stations are much brighter, and now have the feeling of being part of the Underground, apart from the fact that the platform edges still have Network South East markings. Apparently they were to expensive to remove, and having new concrete slabs, spoiled the aesthetics. Some of the heritage signs, black and white tiling have been painted over, to fit into the Underground corporate look, which is a shame.
Train's look much nicer, lots of teal. Grab poles are slightly different colour by the doors compared to the horizontal ones, for H&S reasons. but the carriages are already covered in bird c**p, and seeing how there isn't a wash machine installed yet they are having to be cleaned by hand!
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Post by greatplum on Sept 11, 2006 14:23:11 GMT
Do birds get down into the tube then?
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Post by trc666 on Sept 11, 2006 15:15:00 GMT
Yes they do now and again.
The W&C line depot at Waterloo also has an open air section within the complex.
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Post by greatplum on Sept 11, 2006 15:32:45 GMT
Oh OK - I thought it was all underground!
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Post by Tom on Sept 11, 2006 16:01:54 GMT
Well, if there were any plans for a press launch, it didn't happen for the first train, which I was on. (I also took a cab trip on the last train, just to make sure the line closed).
I was there at 0615 this morning (0420 wake-up call - aaargh!) and took 201 East, 202 West, and 203 East again before arriving at the office at 0700.
The train also had a number of LU and Metronet VIPs publicly inspecting the line.
Photos and a scan of the commemorative ticket wallet to follow (I'm not sure if they were a Metronet thing or if the public got them - mine was given to me by the Senior Project Manager).
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Post by Ben on Sept 11, 2006 16:28:45 GMT
Before all this retracking, the W&C had a curiosity in that the positive rail was steel, yet the (newer) negative rail was aluminium. Appologuies if this has been said before!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2006 8:07:56 GMT
The Waterloo & City is presently suspended, due to a faulty train. The Sub Standard will have a field day over that!
I hope it's unsuspended in the next hour or so, as I was going to take some piccies.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 12, 2006 9:18:37 GMT
Its now suspended because of a signal failure at Bank. Oh dear.
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Post by greatplum on Sept 12, 2006 11:30:07 GMT
Oh dear, not doing well!
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 12, 2006 13:00:58 GMT
When I finished work at 12, it had, by that time, been suspended three times! One was for a signal failure at Bank, then a defective train, then a signal failure at Waterloo!!!!!!!!
Must be lots of red faces. Teething troubles I expect, might be more of this until it beds down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2006 13:30:26 GMT
They had a short suspension because of a powerfailure yesterday.
I agree it seems likely to be teething troubles. I took it a few times yesterday and they had two or three man in the cab, some (or all?) appeared to be from Metronet. They'll probably have a team standing by because most issues seem to be resolved quite quickly.
I guess some things will only show in real world operation and not in tests.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2006 16:52:01 GMT
And everyone is watching it as its the most major work to be done out of the whole network in donkeys! So I'm sure until the media attention dies down, they'll be "red faces" and excuses a plenty!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2006 22:09:43 GMT
I managed to get 6 photos of the Waterloo & City Line today, until I was stopped by the LU photo gestapo at Bank. The photos are in the usual place.
The train interiors look bright. The ride quality was impressively smooth, especially around the sharp bends out of Waterloo which used to be quite rough. The ride was also much quieter than before too, with much less wheel screeching.
The raised sections of platform and its associated ramps looked interesting. The train I arrived on at Bank stopped short of the stopping mark, meaning that the single leaf doors were aligned with a ramp - a potential safety hazard in my opinion.
I also recorded the fastest tipping out time I have seen on LU, at Waterloo in 23secs! (Note: There were less than 10 people on the whole train).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2006 1:45:27 GMT
Gestapo? Is Tfl being headed by a loyal decendant of Hitler? ;D Kidding.
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Post by markt on Sept 13, 2006 3:29:25 GMT
Are LUL shunt signals supposed to show a red and white aspect to show 'stop' as per BR signals?
If so, WK27, depot end of Bank bound platform at Waterloo, the red 'un is out already...
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Post by tubeprune on Sept 13, 2006 6:14:41 GMT
I managed to get 6 photos of the Waterloo & City Line today, until I was stopped by the LU photo gestapo at Bank. What exactly are the rules re photos now? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2006 9:52:27 GMT
Are LUL shunt signals supposed to show a red and white aspect to show 'stop' as per BR signals? If so, WK27, depot end of Bank bound platform at Waterloo, the red 'un is out already... LUL shunt signals don't have coloured lights. They're a white disc with a red stripe. The whole thing rotates, so if the stripe is horizontal it's at danger, if it's diagonal then it's clear. Or in some cases it's LEDs imitating the disc but operating on the same principle. Having said that, the W&C, being ex-BR, may well be different! |
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Post by DWS on Sept 13, 2006 11:46:24 GMT
Are LUL shunt signals supposed to show a red and white aspect to show 'stop' as per BR signals? If so, WK27, depot end of Bank bound platform at Waterloo, the red 'un is out already... LUL shunt signals don't have coloured lights. They're a white disc with a red stripe. The whole thing rotates, so if the stripe is horizontal it's at danger, if it's diagonal then it's clear. Or in some cases it's LEDs imitating the disc but operating on the same principle. Having said that, the W&C, being ex-BR, may well be different! The shunt signals in Neasden and Stratford Market Depots have red and white lights |
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Post by Chris W on Sept 13, 2006 12:49:08 GMT
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Post by Tom on Sept 13, 2006 18:18:38 GMT
Teething troubles I expect, might be more of this until it beds down. I'd agree wth that, though there are other reasons I'd better not go into. The signal failures were just one of those things that happen. The power failure was a train that braked a little too hard and became gapped. As for today's happenings...  |
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 13, 2006 18:31:22 GMT
Another signal failure AND a defective train, pr wise, couldnt come at a worse time.
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Post by markt on Sept 13, 2006 20:21:05 GMT
Are LUL shunt signals supposed to show a red and white aspect to show 'stop' as per BR signals? If so, WK27, depot end of Bank bound platform at Waterloo, the red 'un is out already... LUL shunt signals don't have coloured lights. They're a white disc with a red stripe. The whole thing rotates, so if the stripe is horizontal it's at danger, if it's diagonal then it's clear. Or in some cases it's LEDs imitating the disc but operating on the same principle. Having said that, the W&C, being ex-BR, may well be different! Sounds like the old BR shunt signals. Used to be loads at Horsham before it got resignalled last Christmas. |
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Post by Tom on Sept 13, 2006 20:40:32 GMT
Are LUL shunt signals supposed to show a red and white aspect to show 'stop' as per BR signals? If so, WK27, depot end of Bank bound platform at Waterloo, the red 'un is out already... I think you'll find that's WK23. |
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Post by tubeprune on Sept 14, 2006 7:09:02 GMT
Position Light Shunt Signals: The LUL "position light shunt signal" has three lights, two red at the base, which indicate signal is ON, and a white at the top left. To indicate OFF, the white light and the right hand red light are illuminated, giving a 45deg. display. The Southern Railway had a 2-lamp position light shunt signal with the red on the left and white on the right. Both were illuminated to indicate ON. The white only illuminated to indicate OFF. The new standard NR shunt signal has two red horizontal for ON and two white at 45deg. for OFF. I should add that a shunt signal associated with a running signal will only show the two white lights when OFF and show nothing otherwise. The running signal will display appropriate aspects and will show red if the shunt signal is OFF. See: www.semg.org.uk/proto/c-light_04.htmlCan anyone confirm the type installed on the W&C? |
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Post by DWS on Sept 14, 2006 10:00:59 GMT
LUL shunt signals at Stratford Market Depot have 2 red lights at the bottom of the signal to indicate stop, above is 1 white to indicate proceede.
The red lights and the white light are never on at the same time.
These signals are a Westinghouse design.
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