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Post by Chris M on Aug 24, 2006 18:43:16 GMT
I would be surpised if there wasn't some big photocall with the Mayor and some head honchos of all the companies involved in the refurbishment when the line reopens, but which direction will they travel (first)?
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Post by c5 on Aug 24, 2006 18:47:06 GMT
Thats if it's finished on time.....  But yes no doubt Sherrif Ken will be out for a free lunch, whilst Metromess cover up all broken bits  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2006 19:22:39 GMT
Thats if it's finished on time..... But yes no doubt Sherrif Ken will be out for a free lunch, whilst Metromess cover up all broken bits Yeah it'll probably be Golden Handshakes at Dawn, dodgy cheques passed in envelopes. Five minutes into it all, there will probably be a massive signal failure. By that time, Metronot will have scarpered |
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Post by c5 on Aug 24, 2006 19:24:11 GMT
Thats if it's finished on time..... But yes no doubt Sherrif Ken will be out for a free lunch, whilst Metromess cover up all broken bits Yeah it'll probably be Golden Handshakes at Dawn, dodgy cheques passed in envelopes. Five minutes into it all, there will probably be a massive signal failure. By that time, Metronot will have scarpered
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Post by Colin on Aug 25, 2006 0:52:19 GMT
but which direction will they travel (first)? From the depot to the Bank so they can: Yeah it'll probably be Golden Handshakes at Dawn, dodgy cheques passed in envelopes. Five minutes into it all, there will probably be a massive signal failure. By that time, Metronot will have scarpered |
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Post by Ben on Aug 25, 2006 0:55:13 GMT
Lol; catch the eurostar to france and then a plane to Mexico....Oh yeahhh  |
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Post by yellowsignal on Aug 25, 2006 18:41:09 GMT
how about some toothpicks in certain signal relays? and only running one train. At least they know it will run then.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 25, 2006 21:10:56 GMT
unless there is a fault on the train...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2006 22:19:36 GMT
What a cynical bunch you lot are!  ;D As if engineering projects on LUL ever run late. Look at the wonderful Connect radio project: that's only six years late. As for signal and train failures, LU don't suffer from them do they? ;D (Tongue firmly in cheek when written!) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2006 8:10:57 GMT
I can remember some of the summer line closures before PPP overrunning, not forgetting what happens when you open something before it's ready (JLE). So given the scale of the W&C Line project, I don't think you can really single out Metronet if the project does overrun. Metronet are refurbishing the system on a scale never seen before (thanks to the lack of investment over the last 30 years), so engineering projects overrunning are just a risk of the trade.
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Post by ribaric on Aug 26, 2006 16:19:44 GMT
I have a piece of me in the drain. It was part of my 'empire' when I was SCM on the Central and I had a small part to play when I later moved to System Upgrades. Metronet are not angels but, sorry to say, we (LUL) and in particular, CED (now just ED) and what was 'Marketing & Planning' put a lot of stupid obstacles in their path, too many were over-the-top specifications which even an airline operator wouldn't have to meet. M&P made a host pernickerty requirements which were extreme in their pettiness. Frankly, I was sometimes embarrassed to be part of the LUL team when I heard what some of 'our' people were demanding. I certainly understood Metronet's exasperation at being blackmailed. Pot, Kettle, Black...
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2006 16:26:58 GMT
I spent Thursday down at Waterloo and ended up taking two round trips on the line.
While I can't say too much, the cynics may well be right and those who think it's going to look brand new like the JLE was may be in for some disappointment...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2006 17:35:07 GMT
While I can't say too much, the cynics may well be right and those who think it's going to look brand new like the JLE was may be in for some disappointment... Quite, its just new track that will be the noticable point to the punters coz it will be a much smoother ride, one should hope!! |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 26, 2006 18:42:35 GMT
you'd hope the new livery and refurbished interior on the trains would be noticed as well - otherwise what's the point in doing it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2006 18:54:55 GMT
Quite, its just new track that will be the noticable point to the punters coz it will be a much smoother ride, one should hope!! That, and there are no speed restrictions anymore, apparently there were a few on such a short stretch. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2006 19:44:08 GMT
you'd hope the new livery and refurbished interior on the trains would be noticed as well - otherwise what's the point in doing it! They wont stay that way for long, i can assure you that |
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2006 21:57:37 GMT
Quite, its just new track that will be the noticable point to the punters coz it will be a much smoother ride, one should hope!! That, and there are no speed restrictions anymore, apparently there were a few on such a short stretch. The new track does give a much smoother ride, and is a massive improvement. The speed restrictions are still there, as they are required around the curves, which in some points are basically an S-bend. Unfortunately we can't get rid of them! The TSRs are all removed though. |
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Post by yellowsignal on Aug 27, 2006 12:37:03 GMT
what exactly have they done with the signalling system?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 16:15:42 GMT
what exactly have they done with the signalling system? There is a new computerised control system, there have been adjustments to the speed control into Bank (to improve reversing capacity), and also some adjustments to the signalling in the Waterloo Depot (to improve flexibility). The signalling is still colour light signals, with train stops, and relay interlockings. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 27, 2006 16:54:06 GMT
what exactly have they done with the signalling system? There is a new computerised control system There isn't yet - it will be coming later and a lot of the signalling work for it is in place. The other noticeable change is that some signals now have Remote Securing installed. Most of the work has been related to putting the line to standard, removing the redundant wiring associated with the ATP which was never commissioned, replacing the hard wired trainstops with snakes, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 17:34:30 GMT
There is a new computerised control system There isn't yet - it will be coming later and a lot of the signalling work for it is in place. The other noticeable change is that some signals now have Remote Securing installed. Most of the work has been related to putting the line to standard, removing the redundant wiring associated with the ATP which was never commissioned, replacing the hard wired trainstops with snakes, etc. Forgive the ignorance, but why wasn't the opportunity taken to install ATO on the line? Could help speed things up that little bit more, especially around those S bends, and would tick another line off the list. Considering the whole lot was getting refurbished I would've thought installing ATO would be perfect timing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 17:36:34 GMT
IIRC, it was an idea to install ATO when the line closed for the first refurb in 1993, when the old 1940's units were removed....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 22:36:39 GMT
Maybe it's a good way of keeping up Leytonstone based drivers driving skills.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2006 17:44:38 GMT
Maybe it's a good way of keeping up Leytonstone based drivers driving skills. *remains obstinately quiet* |
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Post by yellowsignal on Aug 29, 2006 19:59:14 GMT
replacing the hard wired trainstops with snakes, etc. What does this mean? |
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Post by Tom on Aug 29, 2006 20:19:58 GMT
Normally the electrical connections to a trainstop are done by using a standard pre-formed cable, which is generally referred to as a snake. This is and quicker easier to change, and reduces the potential for wiring errors to be made when changing trainstops.
The W&C was a place where snakes were not used and instead individual wires were used.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 31, 2006 23:40:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 9:01:10 GMT
I see the line is opening a week late, wasnt it originally meant to be reopening 4th september? Yes, when it first closed it was "until 3rd Spetember" but this was soon replaced by the more vague "until September". Still, one week slippage on a 22 week project isn't too bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 14:10:03 GMT
Ahh, but Metronet made a promise and they have gone back on that promise...
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Post by yellowsignal on Sept 1, 2006 18:59:25 GMT
Ahh, but Metronet made a promise and they have gone back on that promise... Now the PR people and the managers learned to listen to the tech guys.... |
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