Anyone else sad to see the 1967s go?

They probably didn't change the seating layout in the 67s and 72s because it would cost too much, and it wasn't the best refurb either. They don't even have end windows!

One unit had the centre section seat layouts changed. But it was a real compromise and didn't bring the benefits that were seen on the Piccadilly line. Unfortulately there was nowhere else to put the Safety Box, Auto Driver Box and batteries.

As to end windows; Victoria Line was the first refurb, and end windows weren't thought of 'till after the programme was set, and a lot of design had been done to relocate equipment to the car ends. The bodies would have been strong enough.

Yes I believe so. I heard the end bulkheads weren't strong enough too!

Agreed! They look awesome!

Didn't the last 67TS to be refurbished have dark ggrey on the ends of the cars (like the 73, 92, 95 and 96TS, as well as a different interior layout? The grey ends must have looked weird as 67TS doesn't have end windows. I actually think the lights in the ends were a good idea for the Victoria, because as the line's all in tunnel, what is there to see outside (no I don't think they shouldn't have any windows, like the C&SLR carraiges ), and the lights make the interior a bit brighter.

Yes, sorry to see them go.

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I think it was. Its unit 3176(?) and may have been the first to have the digital announcements on it. If I'm right, it was an experimental design as a sort of prototype for the Piccadilly refurbishment. Of course, I could be wrong!

Thanks for the explanation. I got in the car this week, thought "this looks different" how come I don't recall this layout? Am I imagining things?".

In a way they ruined the 67TS when they painted them. Before that they were still almost graffiti-free with shiny black painted roofs, all very space-age and 1960s as the Vic Line project was.

Remember the trains and stations were both designed under the control of Misha Black and the LT Design Panel. Trains unpainted and 'silver' just like the Apollo rockets (or should that be Bluestreak or Skybolt missles?) and controlled by 'robots' (well, almost), escalators which could run faster once a passenger had boarded and been detected by a 'magic eye' (again, very 1960s) and new-fangled AFC barriers and yellow tickets.

Even if the grey tiles didn't stay on the walls for too long, platforms clearly showed a common and integrated look with facilities placed in the head- or tailwall, discreet ATO b&w CCTV and none of the jumble of barriers and monitors installed since. Note also the internally illuminated platform roundels (some still work!) and the metal staff letter boxes and associated former fire bucket (which were a natty rectangular shape) cabinets, both designed as a matching suite.

Original Victoria Line finishes are steadily disappearing, enjoy them while you can, with Pimlico (1972) probably the most complete example. The only Underground line built as a single design concept.

I'd disagree. I like curves of the 67TS refurbishments. The car end lights are a nice touch too.

I hope that they keep the tiling designs on the walls of the stations behind the benches, they are nice.

I thought Vic Berry's was closed? At least some are going to the Baker.

The 09TS is bigger (it can't use the connection to the Piccadilly at Finsbury Park), and has wider doors and more standing room whith tip-up seats, so I think it will have a greater capacity in terms of how many people can fit on a train.
There are 43 trains of 67TS. 47 trains of 09TS have been ordered, and they plan to run up to 43 in service, so there should be fewer gaps between trains as well.

At a significantly reduced speed or could the new Picc stock be this larger size?