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Post by metman on Jan 28, 2008 1:11:06 GMT
Yes it is! The 73ts doors are top hung-the first of their type I believe. The previous stocks door ran on runners at the door threshold. You can actually see the outlines of the wheels on the 67ts and I think the 72mk1s too?
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Post by undergroundernie on May 3, 2008 12:37:53 GMT
I have had the pleasure of driving a 67ts and operating the 09ts simulator and I can honestly say the 67s win hands down with the 67s you actually feel in control of the vehicle when in manual where as with the 09s its litterally push-and-go, also I believe with the 09s the only requirements from the driver is to CLOSE the doors and set start.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 21:12:47 GMT
Yes it is! The 73ts doors are top hung-the first of their type I believe. The previous stocks door ran on runners at the door threshold. You can actually see the outlines of the wheels on the 67ts and I think the 72mk1s too? They needed to be top hung because of the increased stand-back area by the doors - the equipment couldn't be under the nearest seat as in previous stocks. |
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Post by edwin on May 3, 2008 21:43:12 GMT
I have had the pleasure of driving a 67ts and operating the 09ts simulator and I can honestly say the 67s win hands down with the 67s you actually feel in control of the vehicle where as with the 09s its litterally push-and-go, also I believe with the 09s the only requirements from the driver is to CLOSE the doors and set start. What are you on about? The 67TS have been automatic from the start... |
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Post by Oracle on May 3, 2008 22:07:04 GMT
Also worked the Victoria and Central Lines with success. And an excellent railtour on other lines!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 9:34:54 GMT
I have had the pleasure of driving a 67ts ..... I can honestly say the 67s win hands down . You obviously didn't drive it very far then. Holding down the vigilance device for long periods is uncomfortable to say the least. On more than one occasion I had to supervise the movement of defective stock from Brixton back to NPD in Coded Manual on nights. The T/Ops often had to stop to give their wrists a rest.  |
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Post by undergroundernie on May 4, 2008 11:00:05 GMT
I did notice that fortunately I was only moving the unit around the yard but personally I found it easier to stand up and operate though as you mentioned still quite uncomfortable. To answer an earlier post im aware 67s have always been automatic I was just stating me preference when operated in manual.
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Post by towerman on May 4, 2008 17:35:41 GMT
That's the reason the CTBC was turned round on C,72 & 73 stocks as it gave a more comfortable driving position.
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Post by ruislip on May 5, 2008 20:16:35 GMT
Well of course everyone can have an opinion, that's the great thing about this country. This sounds like something I would expect from a debate on American politics, not from a debate on London's tube stocks. ;D  |
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Post by maxtube on May 12, 2008 19:19:15 GMT
I'm sad to see the 67 stock go.
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Post by astock5000 on May 15, 2008 16:40:25 GMT
I'm sad to see the 67 stock go. There will still be 1972TS on the bakerloo for a while after the last 1967TS goes. |
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Post by metman on May 15, 2008 16:58:22 GMT
There will be 67s on the Bakerloo too from all accounts.
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Post by maxtube on May 16, 2008 18:07:16 GMT
There will be 67s on the Bakerloo too from all accounts. And after that gets withdrawn and apart from the 1992/1996 stock, we're left with Bits of plastic held together with pritt-stick new stock? The 1995 stock is rubbish IMO. Bad DVA, bad acceleration noises. |
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Post by metman on May 16, 2008 18:18:26 GMT
That is unfortunately state of things to come! I don't really like the 96 stock either. All the old stock will be replaced in a space of 10 years-quite rare!
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Post by 100andthirty on May 16, 2008 21:07:13 GMT
Some feedback to a number of threads - sorry not individually credited!
1) the first tube trains with top hung doors were 1972 mk 2. The idea was that it would allow a bottom track less prone to be gummed up with AAA batteries and the like. ALL current tube stock and '09 stock have under seat door operators. '73 is unique in that two doors in adjacent doorways share the same door engine.
2) Our simulators don't simulate motion and therefore don't "feel" right. What I mean by motion is this. A motion simulator uses actuators like hydraulic jacks to cause the simulator to move forward, backward and up and dow, and allow tilt. This provides the sensation of acceleration, braking and track roughness. Apart from the ancient '59ts sumulator which was scrapped a long time ago, none of LU's simulators use motion. This is not a problem for the purposes for which they're used.
3) I don't drive trains very often and don't drive them at all on LU, but the '09ts is, in my view very nice to drive - as good as any metro train I've driven. I drive the Central line simulator a day or two after the '09ts and this just confirmed my view of non-motion simulators.
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Post by metman on May 22, 2008 21:12:24 GMT
Paul Moss' book 'Underground movement' suggests that the 73ts was the first stock with top hung doors. I'd be suprised if the 72mk2 stock differed from the previous 67/72mk1 stocks-then again-you should believe everything you read!
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Post by maxtube on May 23, 2008 19:20:16 GMT
Some news everybody. The Bakerloo's 1972 stock will be replaced. In 2019! We've got some way of classic stock to go! And on a website, back in 2005, I read that the 'Bakerloo Line trains will be replaced in 2007'! |
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Post by metman on May 23, 2008 19:23:42 GMT
That's old news (but still good news imo)!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2008 22:58:19 GMT
Some news everybody. The Bakerloo's 1972 stock will be replaced. In 2019! We've got some way of classic stock to go! And on a website, back in 2005, I read that the 'Bakerloo Line trains will be replaced in 2007'! thats good, but shame about the wait. |
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Post by 100andthirty on May 24, 2008 7:15:50 GMT
Paul Moss' book 'Underground movement' suggests that the 73ts was the first stock with top hung doors. I'd be suprised if the 72mk2 stock differed from the previous 67/72mk1 stocks-then again-you should believe everything you read! Paul Moss' book is very good, but this detail is incorrect - I saw them shortly after delivery! Once the top hung design was properly sorted out, they were/are very reliable. So much so that when the 3 mark one '72's were transferred to the Bakerloo, the conventional door arrangement was about 3 times less reliable than the mark two's. Over the last two or three years, the mark oneshave been converted to something like the mark two arrangement. |
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Post by metman on May 24, 2008 10:15:27 GMT
Well I certainly believe you over the book! I believe the 72ts recently had work carried out on their doors to make them even more reliable.
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Post by ruislip on May 24, 2008 19:57:46 GMT
Some news everybody. The Bakerloo's 1972 stock will be replaced. In 2019! We've got some way of classic stock to go! But I know a majority of board members here have greater reverence for A stock than do those who have reverence for '72 stock. |
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Post by astock5000 on May 30, 2008 17:35:32 GMT
I agree with ruislip, and is 72TS really 'classic' stock as its got DVA?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 17:52:33 GMT
now I have a different opinion with the 67 stock
I will miss them
I mean they get you from walthamstow to brixton in about 35 minutes
they also in my opinion were the first 'modern' stock
they pioneered new designs , I am going to miss them
they transport so many people each day very fast, and they have been doing that for 40+ years
72 stock are not as good
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Post by astock5000 on May 30, 2008 18:05:14 GMT
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Post by edwin on May 30, 2008 21:15:00 GMT
I love the sound of the 67/72TS!
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Post by metman on May 30, 2008 22:06:06 GMT
They are the same trains but with different types of operation! I too love the noise they make, none of this wining nonsense the newer trains make! My first train memory is being on an A stock overtaking a 72mk2 train on the Jubilee. I remember the sleek look of the cab as we zoomed (they did in those days [none of this 50mph rubbish]) past! |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jun 6, 2008 23:34:08 GMT
Nahh...
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Post by metman on Jun 7, 2008 0:19:30 GMT
I really don't like those silly wheelchair partitions that are proposed! Surely they will just get in the way!
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Post by edwin on Jun 7, 2008 17:18:24 GMT
They're only in 1 or 2 carriages in the centre of the train, I believe. And I really can't stand those transverse seating sections on the 67TS, but you don't hear me complaining!
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