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Post by mrjrt on Jun 24, 2008 12:07:28 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere...but I had a looksie at C&L in Google Maps, and I can't see why the bay couldn't be extended westwards. The trackwork would of course need to be moved back, but I can't see any obstacles at all.
What have I missed?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 24, 2008 13:56:13 GMT
I remember suggesting just that somewhere on this forum quite a while back. Unfortunately I can't remember when or where, or what the response was :/
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Post by metman on Jun 25, 2008 17:02:10 GMT
I believe it was too expensive!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 18:06:34 GMT
What's the cost of providing two or thee 4 Car S Stock sets just for Chesham.
Errrrr.....lets run through trains!
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Post by metman on Jun 25, 2008 18:40:42 GMT
I have reservations about running thru trains-but it should be given a go! I personally can't see why the platform cannot be extended to take 8 cars!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 7:20:07 GMT
Looks as though any changes to the Chesham service have been postponed until December 2009 at the earliest, to link in with the revised SSR Timetables at the same time, being planned for the extended Circle Line.
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Post by maxtube on Jun 26, 2008 15:54:10 GMT
These are LT's most recent plans: Abandon the shuttle, and have 2 of the 4 trains per hour that go to Amersham go to Chesham instead!
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Post by happybunny on Jun 26, 2008 17:47:06 GMT
That sounds like the best idea maxtube.
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Post by amershamsi on Jun 26, 2008 18:00:48 GMT
unless you're in Amersham!
then again it happens at peak times
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Post by metman on Jun 26, 2008 18:03:48 GMT
Well yes, Amersham does have a rubbish peak service! I would like to see 2 extra thru trains from Baker Street (leaving at XX20, XX50) which would see 6tph between Baker Street and Chalfont!
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 26, 2008 18:10:19 GMT
Is there enough capacity for extra trains between Baker Street and Wembley Park?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2008 20:30:28 GMT
Well yes, Amersham does have a rubbish peak service! I would like to see 2 extra thru trains from Baker Street (leaving at XX20, XX50) which would see 6tph between Baker Street and Chalfont! xx20/50 paths would clash at Harrow with Chiltern services which run Main line in these paths. But if you ran these two calling at local stations just ahead of the xx23/53 Watford service and cross at Watford South then run to Amersham as a Semi Fast. The xx00/30 would be an Amersham fast and the xx10/40 paths would be a Chesham fast. The Semi running only 5" in front of the Chesham from Rickmansworth would provide a Chesham connection and give Amersham a 15" interval of arrivals. The return would see the Semi starting 6" ahead, dep xx0020/50, of the Chiltern and 4" behind the Chesham Fast, dep Chesham xx10/40, at Chalfont and a convenient connection into the Semi at Rickmansworth and then running local lines from Watford South could be overtaken by the Chiltern before Harrow. The Amersham Fast would depart xx06/36 and again a 15" interval Met service, the Semi service would need to turn round on platform 1 due to an 8" turnround and the Fast service via the siding.
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Post by happybunny on Jun 26, 2008 20:34:44 GMT
The problem is.. LUL think it is perfectly normal and fine, to TIMETABLE trains to run with just 1.5-2 mins gap between that train and the one in front / behind... therefor that train would see lots of reds ahead and wouldn't run at normal speed. This adds knock on effect to all trains behind and eventually all trains get delayed... however Chiltern probably don't think this is so acceptable ! I wouldn't have thought so anyway. Don't try to run more trains than you can handle !
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Post by metman on Jun 26, 2008 20:53:44 GMT
Chiltern must also remember who owns the tracks between Amersham and Harrow! I think the extra paths between Baker St and Wembley are there! I like the idea of a semi fast service, but also it would be possible for the Amersham services to have their times tweeked slightly!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2008 7:43:39 GMT
A point on the last two postings, whilst LUL will timetable trains at very close headways on lines where the signaling will allow this sort of working. The Metropolitan is generally timed to run at 2.5" headways between Baker Street, Harrow and Uxbridge. This can be reduced to 2" from Baker Street during the peak but usually only occurs where the two trains will run on different lines from Wembley Park, and usually a fast before a slow. The Local lines between Harrow and Watford South can handle 3" headways, with 4" on to Watford. The Main lines north of Harrow will handle 4" to Amersham. Any less than those headways would mean trains running on restrictive aspects and the service would fail to maintain meet it's targets. Also the fact that defensive driving techniques are now pressed home, would see t/ops especially on the Chilterns not running at reduced speed and headways would be eroded. The idea of tweaking the times of Amersham services is fraught with problems, in the same way as for the tweaking of the Chiltern times. This would require a complete recast of the Metropolitan WTT as the pathing of the Chiltern services are set by the pathing from of trains from Baker Street. This is currently constrained by the 12tph services to both Watford (6tph) and Uxbridge (6tph) and forming a 5" minute interval service to Harrow. This leaves paths for another 12tph in the timetable and 4 of these are currently used for the Amershams. If we take out another 2tph for the Semi to Amersham and the 6tph remaining would be available for other workings, though the constraints of platforming at Baker Street would generally make these unusable without altering the remaining service. The knock on from a major recast then goes onto affect the Circle, District, H&C, Piccadilly and Jubilee line services to some extent. Ownership of the line may not be as clear cut as is believed the fact that this was a joint line between Harrow and Quainton Road the current split is really more of a convenience for both infrastructure operators and I am sure if you search it out there is documentation that gives Chiltern legal rights to operate over the Metropolitan.
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