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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 1:13:03 GMT
What do people think the long term future of the Chesham branch is?
Previous threads have commented on the lack of a 4 car S Stock unit on order, and have suggested various solutions involving 73TS and D Stock. After last years consultation on the through service, are there plans to change the current service pattern?
Is there any possibility that the branch could be the victim of some future closure, or are there other parts of the LU network that could be under greater threat?
Going into fantasyland now.....If the branch were ever to be culled, would it be viable as a community run or heritage line? (a la Epping Ongar)
Thoughts, theories and schemes please!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 1:32:35 GMT
It ends rather abruptly in a buffer stop and then a wall... Can't see how there will be enough room without demolishing part of the station...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 1:36:49 GMT
The platform can be extended northwards, I assume this will be the case with the points also moved northwards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 1:38:17 GMT
Why dinnae I think of that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 1:42:34 GMT
Why dinnae I think of that? You must have had a hard day at work sitting in your armchair pushing a couple of buttons ;D |
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 15, 2007 1:46:27 GMT
How about extend it to the North, to connect with the WCML!
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Post by edb on Feb 15, 2007 7:31:23 GMT
Has it ever gone any further than the wall. It looks like it could do. (or rather that is the impression memory gives me)
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Post by Chris M on Feb 15, 2007 9:14:16 GMT
If you're talking about Chesham, then I beleive that the land beyond the wall used to be a goods yard. The original plan was for Chesham to be on the main line, but that ended when it was built via Amersham. I can't remember why this change happened.
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Post by Ben on Feb 15, 2007 16:38:48 GMT
Give it a three car unit from the Overground scheme; this would be possible and simple(r) once Croxley Link goes ahead
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Post by amershamsi on Feb 15, 2007 18:15:08 GMT
Chesham was meant to be extended to Tring and the WCML.
My personal preference would be to build a passing loop on the branch, then get the service upped to 2 through, 2 shuttle, and drop Amersham's met line service to 2 through and 2 shuttle (and 2 Chiltern).
Failing that, the Chesham shuttle should be sent to Amersham in the peaks (when through trains goto Chesham as well as Amersham, "stealing" Amersham's service and the extra Chilterns on the track deliberately non-stop from Great Missenden south) - that Amersham gets a worse peak time service than off-peak is strange, especially as most of it's users are in the peaks!
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Post by trc666 on Feb 15, 2007 18:36:01 GMT
I reckon Sarah Siddons and some marooon Mk1s would be good for a Heritage service! ;D
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Post by gavelex on Feb 15, 2007 19:03:29 GMT
I reckon Sarah Siddons and some marooon Mk1s would be good for a Heritage service! ;D why not as the regular train? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by prjb on Feb 15, 2007 19:47:30 GMT
Ok then! ;D
At the moment no final decision has been made on the solution for Chesham. Two things being talked about, at a very early stage, are a through service or a platform extension. Whilst we do not know what the final solution will be I personally very, very much doubt that there will be any closure.
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 15, 2007 20:43:27 GMT
I have heard one reason why the branch will never be closed, is because loads of senior management use Chesham. Is this true?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 21:25:57 GMT
I reckon Sarah Siddons and some marooon Mk1s would be good for a Heritage service! ;D here, here! ;D |
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Post by Ben on Feb 15, 2007 22:57:12 GMT
Theres enough met compartment stock left around in preservation to make it authentic; of course it would need to be topped and tailed....maybe no.5 could help out?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 23:01:25 GMT
If it comes about, maybe the Q stocker could run it?
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Post by prjb on Feb 16, 2007 0:25:06 GMT
I have heard one reason why the branch will never be closed, is because loads of senior management use Chesham. Is this true? I'm not sure that is entirely true, I know of at least one senior manager who lives in that general area but I don't think it is actually at Chesham. The reason I say I don't think it will close is because in all the talk that I have overheard about the lines future not once have I heard anyone suggest (or even hint) that closure is an option. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2007 1:25:43 GMT
I have heard one reason why the branch will never be closed, is because loads of senior management use Chesham. Is this true? being a signaller in that area but also a reserve (socialist/working class) signaller wherever i go my decisions are ultimately whats best for the line not due to peolpes social-ecconomic standing. As it is when i was trained at amersham cabin i was told 'many important people use the line here' to which i replied ' yeah, all fare paying passengers are'! |
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Post by mandgc on Feb 16, 2007 5:39:29 GMT
Amersham and Chesham.
As I see it Zones A,B,C and D though wholly within Hertfordshire have the Rail Service provided by London County. Presumably Hertfordshire provide some subsidy. The situation is complicated by these lines forming an integral part of the Metropolitan Train Service ( terminating at Moor Park or Northwood would not provide much support and Amersham and Chesham would be rather isolated without a through service to town.
Is this a fair summary of the situation ?.
It looks to me as if the Chesham line is just a drain on the finances and would be better off closed and with a Bus Service to Amersham or Chalfont substituted. ( Wait for outcry ! )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2007 10:38:48 GMT
Amersham and Chesham. As I see it Zones A,B,C and D though wholly within Hertfordshire have the Rail Service provided by London County. Presumably Hertfordshire provide some subsidy. The situation is complicated by these lines forming an integral part of the Metropolitan Train Service ( terminating at Moor Park or Northwood would not provide much support and Amersham and Chesham would be rather isolated without a through service to town. Is this a fair summary of the situation ?. Almost. The reason why Zones A-D exist is not because Hertfordshire CC subsidises the line (in fact I don't think it does at all!), but to continue the fare graduation schedule in a manner compatible with Chiltern's full-fare ticket prices to stations north of Amersham. It looks to me as if the Chesham line is just a drain on the finances and would be better off closed and with a Bus Service to Amersham or Chalfont substituted. ( Wait for outcry ! ) Nope. It's a shame that a full 8-car S stock may have to be used for the line - if a 4-car S stock could be used, then one way to significantly improve patronage and revenue would be to reinstate the four-car bay platform next to the eight-car bay platform, to allow for more flexibility when running services. |
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Post by mowat on Feb 16, 2007 17:11:08 GMT
Met No1 and the four Chesham stock cars from the Bluebell Railway would look nice on the branch. Then there's the two T Stock DM cars at the Spa Valley Railway.  |
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Post by edb on Feb 16, 2007 22:42:38 GMT
Met No1 and the four Chesham stock cars from the Bluebell Railway would look nice on the branch. Then there's the two T Stock DM cars at the Spa Valley Railway. I'm sorry.... Is that the Spa Valley thats situated next to Sainsburys in RTW?  T Stock...... |
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Post by mandgc on Feb 16, 2007 23:52:49 GMT
I wonder if the traffic on the Chesham Branch can really justify keeping open 3 (?) miles of Single Line to LUL's high standards together with proposals for a re-instatement of the Bay Platform and the provision of specially adapted stock.
Amersham,and Chesham, have a really impresive Web Page ( some might call it a Pressure Group!) - well worth a visit and no critticism intended - and their complaints and suggestions are well publicised.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2007 23:59:15 GMT
I was up in deepest Metroland today and a Chesham shuttle came in while my 8-stops-to-Baker-Street train from Amersham was there and it seemed to have quite a decent loading.
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Post by mandgc on Feb 17, 2007 0:06:03 GMT
No Hertfordshire Subsidy. Reply # 20
Am I to take it that the provision of a train Service by LUL to Amersham (and Chesham) is financed without local assistance? Presumably Chiltern, LUL, etc. assist in maintaining this service which is ,after all, entirely separate , and in a sense, nothing to do with the need to provide of a train service within County of London?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2007 8:30:56 GMT
So far as I know, that is indeed the case.
Essex CC, on the other hand, seems to take a bit more interest in its public transport - why else would Epping, a town outside the M25, be in Zone 6?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2007 10:36:54 GMT
Thanks for your views. It's reassuring to hear that it looks like the future of the Chesham service is assured for the medium term. (My reason for asking was that I'm looking at moving to the area in the summer).
It's also good to know that should the line ever close there's a good array of Heritage rolling stock options knocking about, and some enthusiasm for running them!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2007 11:47:41 GMT
IIRC; Epping was at one point outside Zone 6...
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Post by Chris M on Feb 18, 2007 12:24:17 GMT
The earliest maps I have ready access to post-date the closure of the Ongar branch, but show Epping as right on the edge of Z6. Similarly Moor Park, which is now in Zones 6 and A was shown right on the edge of Z6. From this I presume that Epping was also in both zones.
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