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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2006 20:04:22 GMT
BM209 which is:
0615 Bomo - Weymouth
0716 Weymouth - Brockenhurst
1001 Poole - London
1305 London - Poole
1601 Poole - London
1839 London - Soton
2055 Soton - Waterloo
is now (normally) a 444.
Also the 1835 London - Weymouth (split Soton) is going 444!
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Post by chris on Nov 4, 2006 17:27:05 GMT
Does this train have to start it's day at Bournemouth, but end at Waterloo?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2006 18:16:44 GMT
Yep.
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Post by chris on Nov 4, 2006 18:52:24 GMT
Isnt it a bit of a waste of time taking it empty from Waterloo to Bournemouth? Or is that the most cost effect way?
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Post by dave1 on Nov 4, 2006 22:17:25 GMT
Isnt it a bit of a waste of time taking it empty from Waterloo to Bournemouth? Or is that the most cost effect way? No. The unit it stabled overnight at Clapham CS instead of Bournemouth. It is rotation. The next working night a different unit will be working that diagram. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2006 23:47:45 GMT
Indeed.
EDIT: The diagram in question arrives at London at 2243 and forms 5Y47 2305 London Waterloo - Clapham Yard. The next day, the train is, if formed by a 442, will then perform BM216 (which forms the final service to Weymouth of the day)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2006 9:23:56 GMT
BM210, 212, 213 & 215 dropped into 444 workings now....
BM210:
0758 Weymouth - London Waterloo
1135 London Waterloo - Weymouth
1500 Weymouth - London Waterloo
1805 London Waterloo - Poole
20+26 Poole - Bomo T+RSMD
BM212
0754 Poole - London Waterloo
1835 London Waterloo - Weymouth (stables)
BM213
Same as BM212 except:
1835 London Waterloo - Poole
BM215
0859 Bournemouth - London Waterloo (couples to BM210)
1135 London Waterloo - Bournemouth (uncouples to BM210 at Bomo)
I now presume it swaps with a 442 as it then couples up with BM220 for the following working:
1659 Bournemouth - London Waterloo
1905 London Waterloo - Poole
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Post by Oracle on Nov 9, 2006 9:43:58 GMT
Does the Brockenhurst run into P1? And then runs back, as per Wareham-Brockenhurst stoppers?
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Post by trc666 on Nov 9, 2006 21:02:49 GMT
The 1835 ex London Waterloo is one of those rare services that non-stop Brockenhurst, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2006 22:18:03 GMT
1705, 1735 and 1835 miss Brockenhurst (front portion only).
The Brockenhurst one runs into P1 yes, and returns south on ECS. BM209 is now booked 442.
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 9, 2006 22:26:29 GMT
Arent SWT getting rid of them? Loads of 444's are around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2006 12:49:23 GMT
Aye.
They are going to be ridiculed for doing so though! They are the comfiest unit of the fleet.
Basically what is happening is that the fleet are going to be replaced as follows;
458s reintroduced and displacing 450s on Windsor lines.
450s then being used on Portsmouth Direct displacing 444s.
444s displaced onto Bournemouth line.
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Post by chris on Nov 10, 2006 23:03:21 GMT
I love me 442's! I remember when they went from NSE to SWT livery - thought they were a whole new fleet of train! Bearing in mind i was about 4 at the time....
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Post by trc666 on Nov 11, 2006 10:47:10 GMT
I used the 442s fortnightly from 1997 to 2004 when I was away at school in Hampshire. Used them once or twice in 2005, but not since. So what is happening with them, are they being withdrawn? They're too good to be scrapped, but if SWT wants rid of them, perhaps they could be disbanded and the coaches integrated into other TOCs Mk3 HST/LHC stock.
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Post by Phil on Nov 11, 2006 11:09:27 GMT
So what is happening with them, are they being withdrawn? They're too good to be scrapped, Isn't the problem that the traction equipment and wiring is starting to cause unreliability problems? And with the traction equipment (at least some of it) being second-hand in the first place isn't the cost of refurbishment to improve MBF (MBC) something nobody wants to take on. AIUI the wiring problem is also present in the trailers so they too would need a complete rewire. If all that's true then maybe their days are indeed numbered. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2006 10:48:00 GMT
It's more the traction motors need a good once-over... the wiring was replaced during the last refurbishment so that is OK.
The C6 overhaul was meant to overhaul the traction motors but it seems Angel forgot to foot the bill for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 20:29:07 GMT
Aye. They are going to be ridiculed for doing so though! They are the comfiest unit of the fleet. Basically what is happening is that the fleet are going to be replaced as follows; 458s reintroduced and displacing 450s on Windsor lines. 450s then being used on Portsmouth Direct displacing 444s. 444s displaced onto Bournemouth line.  450's all the way to Pompey? The 450's are horrible on a long journey - the seats are not that comfortable and they are more suited for outer surburban work. The 444's are the best thing apart from 442's. I must admit, apart from HST's I reckon the 'Plastic Pigs' are THE most comfy NR stock on the network. Definately. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2006 20:36:01 GMT
Alex, was having a conversation with a Nat. rail mate, who told me that at the time the 5WES untis were coming into service, or just after their introduction to service, a memo went round from senior level managers of the then Network SouthEast, that no-one was to call them Plastic Pigs... strangely, this never got the desired result...
As we know, some of them were converted from 1960's EMU's, the REPs... They were beasts of trains, with I think, 3,300hp...
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Post by antharro on Nov 22, 2006 4:35:50 GMT
Damnit, I only just read this thread... these are my absolute most favorite mainline trains. I think tubechallenger is absolutely correct that SWT will be ridiculed for this rather stupid move...
444s are okay, but there's nothing like a 442 for a comfortable Bournemouth - Waterloo journey. They make the journey an enjoyable experience.
*sigh* First it was the slammers, now the 442s. I swear all the good trains are being withdrawn.
Does anyone know what the plan for them will be?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 12:58:53 GMT
They might be going over to Southern for Victoria - Brighton...
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Post by trc666 on Nov 22, 2006 17:35:24 GMT
As far as I know, 442s are not cleared on the Brighton main line. A 442 did visit Brighton however on a railtour not long after delivery.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 18:12:50 GMT
No Mk3 bodyshell has ever been regularly cleared for the Brighton Main Line, due to kinematic envelope clearance problems around some of the earthworks.
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Post by c5 on Nov 22, 2006 18:28:06 GMT
No Mk3 bodyshell has ever been regularly cleared for the Brighton Main Line, due to kinematic envelope clearance problems around some of the earthworks. Pardon? I like the current trains that run on this route. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 19:00:31 GMT
442s are now cleared for the entire route. Subject to the same restrictions as 319s.
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Post by antharro on Nov 22, 2006 22:46:08 GMT
Does anyone know if there are any plans for a railtour next year?
It's a nice thought and I'd hope it happens, but I can't see it happening until they're withdrawn for scrap...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 22:52:57 GMT
442s are now cleared for the entire route. Subject to the same restrictions as 319s. When did that happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2006 1:45:52 GMT
It's in the latest Sectional Appendix according to a source at Southern. So within the last few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2006 14:33:14 GMT
Latest update... following trains are all 444... coming from the Weymouth direction going north first:
0500 Poole - Waterloo (0724)
0754 Poole - Waterloo (1023)
0758 Weymouth - Waterloo (1049)
1500 Weymouth - Waterloo (1750)
1600 Weymouth - Waterloo (1850) <-- MIGHT BE
Going back down...
0738 Waterloo - Southampton Ctl (runs ECS to Wareham)
1135 Waterloo - Weymouth (1419)
1805 Waterloo - Poole (2017)
1835 Waterloo - Weymouth / Poole (2116 @ Weymouth)
2005 Waterloo - Poole
0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central (runs UNADVERTISED) to Bournemouth in service *sometimes*
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Post by Colin on Nov 24, 2006 1:17:58 GMT
0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central (runs UNADVERTISED) to Bournemouth in service *sometimes* Is that so they can manipulate their performance figures or summink? " ohh, our figures are bad this week, lets say we're running the 0105"  ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2006 1:49:24 GMT
;D ;D ;D
Depends on the stock requirements on the 0500 Poole - Waterloo TBH! By the time it arrives in Soton it's 0300 and thats just about when they're tapping in stock allox into TRUST...
As I said its unadvertised so can run when they like.
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