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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 27, 2020 8:39:18 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Mar 27, 2020 9:31:00 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Mar 27, 2020 12:22:33 GMT
Trying to decipher this in terms of the actual service pattern being operated. It reads like they are running Upminster - Tower Hill, but didn't think it was yet possible to reverse west to east at the latter. Or are the Upminster trains still going to Olympia?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 27, 2020 12:34:00 GMT
Trying to decipher this in terms of the actual service pattern being operated. It reads like they are running Upminster - Tower Hill, but didn't think it was yet possible to reverse west to east at the latter. Or are the Upminster trains still going to Olympia? Upminster-Olympia Tower Hill-Richmond Tower Hill-Ealing Edgware Road-Wimbledon Tower Hill east>west reversing will be commissioned with SMA3 (whenever) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 18:29:29 GMT
SMA3 wont be commissioned until 10 points at Tower Hill have a replacement stock and switch and by the looks of it another Surelock machine
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Post by North End on Mar 27, 2020 19:16:28 GMT
Last update from me for the time being as I will not now be at work for a few days. Today’s service has mirrored that which has run all week, with a similar number of trains generally running. I expect next week will be similar, and this will continue until the temporary timetables come in, if indeed they do. I understand there is some attempt to offer day shifts to Night Tube operators, which may bump up train operator availability a little.
Availability of other operating staff besides drivers will continue to be a problem. At this moment some drivers should be on the cusp of returning, whilst the numbers going off has slowed - plus the aforementioned push for night tube drivers. However with some other operating staff the reverse is applying, and of course the age profile of such staff is such that it’s often the case the average age is higher and with small teams there’s always the chance of some units being disproportionately hit. One of the Northern’s train crew depots for example is now down to 3 out of 12 managers available, which isn’t even enough to cover the essential activities.
Overtime is being offered, however many are taking the same line as myself - after the level of respect shown to key staff by some Londoners, particularly last weekend, there is a reluctance to put one’s self potentially in the firing line any more than is necessary. The numbers out and about on the streets has also actually increased slightly today by my observation, no doubt an element of boredom may be setting in.
One final point, it’s also good to see there is a move afoot to get the homeless off the streets. One thing which has contributed to making this week very trying has been getting constantly pestered - on the streets, on the stations and on trains. Patience has run extremely thin here, no matter how much one tries to be sensitive.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 27, 2020 21:25:21 GMT
Revised services dated to start from 29 March:
Bakerloo TTN216/20:
Elephant and Castle-Queens Park every 4min (15 trains per hour).
Queens Park-Harrow & Wealdstone every 10min (6 trains per hour).
London Overground will aim to maintain a minimum of a 30min service (2 trains per hour) between Watford Junction and London Euston.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Central TTN218/20:
West Ruislip-Epping every 8-12min (6 trains per hour).
North Acton-Loughton every 20min (3 trains per hour).
Ealing Broadway-Hainault (via Newbury Park) every 8-12min (6 trains per hour).
These services will combine to provide a train every 4min between North Acton and Leytonstone (15 trains per hour).
Hainault-Woodford (via Chigwell) every 20min (3 trains per hour).
Night Tube services are suspended.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Victoria TTN217/20:
Walthamstow Central-Brixton every 4min (15 trains per hour).
Staff trains will only operate early mornings and late at night.
Night Tube services are suspended.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Revised services dated to start from 5 April:
Northern TTN214/20:
Kennington-Edgware/High Barnet (via Charing Cross) every 4min (15 trains per hour).
Morden-Edgware/High Barnet (via Bank) every 4min (15 trains per hour).
Mill Hill East-Finchley Central every 15min (4 trains per hour).
Night Tube services are suspended.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Revised services dated to start from 6 April:
Hammersmith & City Line TTN211/20: Hammersmith-Barking, every 12min
Circle Line TTN211/20: Hammersmith – Aldgate-Edgware Road, every 12min
District TTN212/20:
Richmond-Upminster every 12min
Ealing Broadway-Upminster every 12min
Wimbledon-Tower Hill every 12min
Wimbledon-Edgware Road every 12min
There will be no service between Kensington (Olympia) and Earls Court except for a few early morning trips.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Jubilee TTN215/20:
Stratford-Wembley Park every 4min
Wembley Park-Stanmore every 4-8min
Night Tube services are suspended.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Metropolitan TTN210/20:
Chesham-Aldgate (all stations) every 30min
Amersham-Aldgate (all stations) every 30min
Watford-Baker Street every 15min
Uxbridge-Aldgate, every 10min
These services combine to provide a 14 trains per hour service between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Baker Street.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Piccadilly TTN213/20:
Cockfosters-Arnos Grove every 4-8min (12 trains per hour).
Arnos Grove-Acton Town every 4min (15 trains per hour).
Acton Town-Heathrow T5 every 7-13min (6 trains per hour).
Acton Town-Heathrow T4 every 20min (3 trains per hour).
Acton Town-Rayners Lane every 10min (6 trains per hour).
Rayners Lane-Uxbridge every 20min (3 trains per hour).
Night Tube services are suspended.
Wider intervals will apply early morning and late night.
Waterloo & City: remains suspended
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Post by paulsw2 on Mar 27, 2020 21:39:01 GMT
Revised services from 29 March: Revised services from 5 April: Revised services from 6 April: I think that they are going to be optimistic with coverage as more people will start dropping out through one reason or another all this will do is bring MORE people onto the underground network at a time when they need to REDUCE numbers. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 28, 2020 6:56:32 GMT
I spotted boxes of new timetables by the booking on point but we're still on WTT70 duty roster next week.
On Wednesday there was an ad hoc Trains Council Meeting where management raised the possibility of Night Tube Drivers working extra shifts. ASLEF's position is that it must be voluntary and that every Night Tube Driver should be made full time unless the individual driver didn’t want to become a full time driver. Another meeting has been scheduled for Tuesday.
ASLEF also demanded that any travelling "on the cushions" should be done in the rear cab. From now on the Train Manager has to inform Service Control if they want us to travel anywhere and Service Control inform the driver of the train they want us to travel on.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 28, 2020 7:47:30 GMT
I think that they are going to be optimistic with coverage as more people will start dropping out through one reason or another all this will do is bring MORE people onto the underground network at a time when they need to REDUCE numbers. Have to agree paulsw2 , on the District will be very difficult to maintain that service with the current absence rate. |
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Post by PiccNT on Mar 28, 2020 14:25:21 GMT
We are on an emergency timetable today. We have about 150 ONA's (Operator Not Available) across the line today.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 2:24:48 GMT
Long time lurker here. I am obeying the rules and not using the trains. I would however like to express my appreciation for all of you working on the tube. It cannot be easy for you and you must be really nervous about your health and that of your families. All of you are doing a superb job. All I can say is thanks, you are very much unsung heroes
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Post by sawb on Mar 29, 2020 9:25:31 GMT
Any idea how the bad underground situation has been comparing to London Overground or TfL Rail?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 29, 2020 10:58:34 GMT
I only use the GOBLIN and that's running every 30 minutes.
False alarm on the boxes of timetables, on closer inspection they are for special Easter working which obviously won't be going ahead.
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 29, 2020 11:05:15 GMT
Any idea how the bad underground situation has been comparing to London Overground or TfL Rail? Similar to LU in that some crew depots are harder hit than others, TfL Rail West is on weekend working with the HAY-PAD as is TfL Rail East. Overground routes out of Liverpool Street have been really whacked down and the orbital routes are already heading in that direction. |
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Post by sunnyday on Mar 29, 2020 15:00:33 GMT
TfL Rail east continues with a Saturday service next week. TfL Rail west is moving to a special service with a half hourly service to Reading and Heathrow T4 so a train roughly every 15 mins from Paddington. Reading trains should be FLUs. At my depot, we have a few off sick, however, spare coverage is currently enough to cover this - especially now most testing and training is suspended. |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 29, 2020 15:10:25 GMT
FLU?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 29, 2020 15:17:10 GMT
Assuming the terminology is the same as on Thameslink, FLU = Full Length Unit - i.e. 9 cars. 7 cars would a Reduced Length Unit (RLU). |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 29, 2020 15:37:54 GMT
A darkly ironic acronym for our times, but to remind everybody once again, PLEASE explain what abbreviations and acronyms mean in the first instance of a thread. Once you have, feel free to shorten them to your heart's content. We have asked on a staggering number of occasions and it does get a little tiresome that we have to keep doing so! 
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 29, 2020 19:25:04 GMT
We have 32 drivers absent at White City I found out today, either self isolating or other things.
The main Central Line service at present, is ran by Hainault and White City drivers doing a 15 min Ealing - Hainault shuttle.
If the attendance drops any lower, I doubt if there will be any service at all.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 29, 2020 19:59:08 GMT
We have 32 drivers absent at White City I found out today, either self isolating or other things. The main Central Line service at present, is ran by Hainault and White City drivers doing a 15 min Ealing - Hainault shuttle. If the attendance drops any lower, I doubt if there will be any service at all. I think we had approx. 40 duties uncovered at Leytonstone last week I did Hainault - Ealing Bwy two days last week but mostly Leytonstone - Epping. Apparently there was also the occasional White City - Loughton. |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 29, 2020 23:48:26 GMT
I've received an email stating that TfL have been asked to close Prince Regent station to facilitate construction of the NHS Nightingale Hospital at ExCeL. Island Gardens station is also closed, citing "operational reasons" it is (almost certainly) a section 12 station so I guess keeping Cutty Sark (which definitely is section 12) open is being prioritised.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 30, 2020 2:01:17 GMT
We have 32 drivers absent at White City I found out today, either self isolating or other things. The main Central Line service at present, is ran by Hainault and White City drivers doing a 15 min Ealing - Hainault shuttle. If the attendance drops any lower, I doubt if there will be any service at all. If only 15 min service now due to staff shortages, what difference will the new emergency timetables make with plans for 15tph? |
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Post by North End on Mar 30, 2020 2:58:17 GMT
We have 32 drivers absent at White City I found out today, either self isolating or other things. The main Central Line service at present, is ran by Hainault and White City drivers doing a 15 min Ealing - Hainault shuttle. If the attendance drops any lower, I doubt if there will be any service at all. If only 15 min service now due to staff shortages, what difference will the new emergency timetables make with plans for 15tph? The idea is that a proper emergency timetable would have planned duty schedules, which will always be more efficient than a special service - which no matter how good the person running it is will tend to have crowds of drivers in the messroom at some times and a shortage of drivers at other times. Having said that, I think it’s fair to say there’s a degree of scepticism from operating staff as to how viable running these emergency timetables is going to be in the current situation. Allegedly the timetables and presumably duty schedules have been designed to make cancellations easy. As ever, time will tell. A 4-minute service certainly seems rather ambitious to me, and with current loadings also rather unnecessary throughout much of the day. The problem with the special service hasn’t really been the number of trains running, but the fact that gaps have occurred which has then led to crowding. |
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Post by zbang on Mar 30, 2020 3:11:58 GMT
Section 12 station?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 30, 2020 5:39:56 GMT
A station that is covered by the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) Regulations 2009 - i.e. a station that has any platforms in "tunnel section" (underground). "Section 12" refers to Section 12 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 which allows the Secretary of State to introduce regulations for specific premises, in this case Sub-surface Railway Stations. And yes, Island Gardens is a Section 12 although the original Island Gardens station wasn't. |
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 30, 2020 10:46:30 GMT
A station that is covered by the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) Regulations 2009 - i.e. a station that has any platforms in "tunnel section" (underground). "Section 12" refers to Section 12 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 which allows the Secretary of State to introduce regulations for specific premises, in this case Sub-surface Railway Stations. And yes, Island Gardens is a Section 12 although the original Island Gardens station wasn't. It is actually inclusive of stations with platforms that are more than 50% covered/below ground. An example is Bow Road which counted as Section 12 whilst having some areas in the open. Main line stations like Liverpool Street are included because of the canopies. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 30, 2020 12:43:09 GMT
Hey, I've not worked on stations since August 2002...
Just seen the duty sheets for the emergency timetable starting Sunday 5 April. looks like about half of them are spares to cover a raised level of absence.
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Post by phil on Mar 30, 2020 15:13:45 GMT
A station that is covered by the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) Regulations 2009 - i.e. a station that has any platforms in "tunnel section" (underground). "Section 12" refers to Section 12 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 which allows the Secretary of State to introduce regulations for specific premises, in this case Sub-surface Railway Stations. And yes, Island Gardens is a Section 12 although the original Island Gardens station wasn't. It is actually inclusive of stations with platforms that are more than 50% covered/below ground. An example is Bow Road which counted as Section 12 whilst having some areas in the open. Main line stations like Liverpool Street are included because of the canopies. Just to note its not the canopies (or to be precise the high iron and glass train shed) which is what makes Liverpool Street (Mainline) a 'section 12' station - its the fact that half the station has been rafted over to build office blocks thus putting some platforms entirely (and others in part) in a low ceiling underground like box.
London Victoria (Central side), Charing Cross, Cannon Street plus possibly parts of Paddington and Euston also qualify as section 12 stations for the same reasons.
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Post by philthetube on Mar 30, 2020 15:27:51 GMT
Morden became section 12 when the new train crew accommodation was built over the platforms approx 22 years ago,
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