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Post by sawb on Oct 13, 2021 7:11:46 GMT
The Greater London Authority (GLA) have just cancelled the New Years Eve fireworks in their usual format for a second year. How much of this is "covid uncertainty", as stated by the GLA and how much is actually because TfL haven't found a sponsor for all night running?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 13, 2021 10:20:36 GMT
Could a lack of sponsor not be due (in part) to covid uncertainy?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 14, 2021 2:47:25 GMT
From BBC Tom Edwards twitter
From Finn Brennan's twitter
Mayor of London Question Time from City Hall, 10am
Central and Victoria Line Night Tube restored on Friday 26th/Saturday 27th November
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Post by PiccNT on Oct 14, 2021 9:51:32 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Oct 14, 2021 11:06:05 GMT
And TfL press release here.
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Post by punkman on Oct 15, 2021 8:32:19 GMT
Given previous comments about the lack of drivers currently causing "shortage of trains," especially on the Central Line and at weekends, this news, while welcome, is bound to cause even more daytime disruption as drivers are moved to cover the Night Tube services. Unless there are already new drivers / cross transfers currently being trained up (unlikely?) I would imagine, as there is an extra payment to do a Night Tube shift, there would probably be enough volunteers, but to the detriment of services during the day. And if there were not enough, presumably "pool" drivers would be forced to cover the shifts?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 15, 2021 9:34:28 GMT
ASLEF negotiated for drivers working Night Tube shifts to be paid "time and a half" i.e. work 2 nights, get paid for 3 shifts.
The shifts will be part of the roster, roughly once every 12 - 13 weeks and the hope is that there will be enough drivers asking for the shifts to ensure that those who don't want to work them can swap them through the Mafias
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Post by Colin on Oct 15, 2021 15:53:20 GMT
Given previous comments about the lack of drivers currently causing "shortage of trains," especially on the Central Line and at weekends, this news, while welcome, is bound to cause even more daytime disruption as drivers are moved to cover the Night Tube services. Unless there are already new drivers / cross transfers currently being trained up (unlikely?) From a training point of view we have been working hard on getting people trained since July. The backlog of newly promoted people in training when Covid hit has been cleared and I believe we're now into the tail end of of cross line transfers that were delayed by Covid. What that essentially means is that we've got a gap of about nine months or so of new promotions across the combine to make up for so we're in a much better place than we were four months ago. Whilst I've been on annual leave for the past couple of weeks, the "train cancelations" status message seems to have dropped off the radar which indicates signs of improvement. Each line/depot will paint a different picture though. For example on the District line Upminster has been eagerly awaiting cross transfer's from other depots but that's been held up by depots like Earls Court awaiting newly promoted drivers. As the newly promoted drivers pass out they release the cross transfers to move on to their new depots and this is what is now happening. As already mentioned on this forum, night tube will be operated in a different way to how it was previously operated with full time drivers rather than a select group of part time drivers operating the train service. I would therefore assume that the Central and Victoria lines are actually in a better position than other lines are currently to enable them to restart night tube. Of course there is another side to night tube staffing and that is the stations - they also need enough to keep stations open though arguably that's easier to achieve at short notice as station staff can work pre-planned overtime.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 15, 2021 16:16:36 GMT
One station being short of staff is also a lot less disruptive than one depot being short of staff.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 15, 2021 21:12:24 GMT
From a training point of view we have been working hard on getting people trained since July. The backlog of newly promoted people in training when Covid hit has been cleared and I believe we're now into the tail end of of cross line transfers that were delayed by Covid. What that essentially means is that we've got a gap of about nine months or so of new promotions across the combine to make up for so we're in a much better place than we were four months ago. This sounds like very good news, and now that the training of new people has been mentioned, I realise that it is quite a while since I heard of the Met line (and other services which depend on its signalling staff) closing down because of a lack of signalling staff in the control room.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 16, 2021 0:39:26 GMT
It will be four months since the TfL Board were told it was a possibility, so no doubt working towards this: here Looking at the TfL Working Timetables page here it seems that these are the last two lines still using the temporary virus timetables introduced mid-2020.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 11, 2021 1:58:09 GMT
Government funding extended by a week, apparently! Today's TfL press release says: TfL continues to discuss funding requirements with DfT for the period beyond 11 December 2021 and understands that Government intends to extend the current arrangements to 17 December 2021. We await confirmation of that extension and its terms.
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Post by Tom on Dec 16, 2021 14:36:15 GMT
Two posts have recently been removed from this thread; one was off-topic and the other made little sense without the post preceding it.
Here comes your seasonal reminder: Keep this discussion on topic.
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Post by Tom on Dec 16, 2021 22:28:52 GMT
It will be four months since the TfL Board were told it was a possibility, so no doubt working towards this: here Looking at the TfL Working Timetables page here it seems that these are the last two lines still using the temporary virus timetables introduced mid-2020. As an individual who has access to the internal version of the same page, I'd suggest that this isn't being kept quite up to date.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 17, 2021 13:41:53 GMT
Metropolitan Line still having regular train cancellations - whether that's due to problems in the control room or shortage of train operators I have no idea
On the Central Line Holland Park closed once and Chancery Lane closed twice this week due to staff shortages plus a few trains stabled early as "Operator Not Available" (ONA) with the later relieving drivers having to bring them back into service from sidings/depots rather than changing over on the platform
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 17, 2021 23:48:28 GMT
Metropolitan Line still having regular train cancellations - whether that's due to problems in the control room or shortage of train operators I have no idea Shortage of train operators. A number of new signal operators and service controllers have been passed out over the last few months to alleviate the service control issues.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 17, 2021 23:58:05 GMT
The Greater London Authority (GLA) have just cancelled the New Years Eve fireworks in their usual format for a second year. How much of this is "covid uncertainty", as stated by the GLA and how much is actually because TfL haven't found a sponsor for all night running? Alas but in light of the more recent situation it is perhaps better that the fireworks were cancelled and there is no 'free travel' encouraging people to travel on that night.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 20, 2021 17:39:00 GMT
Government funding extended by a week, apparently! Today's TfL press release says: TfL continues to discuss funding requirements with DfT for the period beyond 11 December 2021 and understands that Government intends to extend the current arrangements to 17 December 2021. We await confirmation of that extension and its terms. A further extension of TfL’s current deal now takes them up to 4 February. No longer term plan as yet! That will not be far short of financial year end in April. They expect only one further year of support beyond that.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 20, 2021 21:43:13 GMT
Government funding extended by a week, apparently! Today's TfL press release says: TfL continues to discuss funding requirements with DfT for the period beyond 11 December 2021 and understands that Government intends to extend the current arrangements to 17 December 2021. We await confirmation of that extension and its terms. A further extension of TfL’s current deal now takes them up to 4 February. No longer term plan as yet! That will not be far short of financial year end in April. They expect only one further year of support beyond that. Considering the possibility of a full lockdown in January (for an undetermined period of time) I am not surprised that another temporary arrangement has been made. No-one really knows what the future holds so it is perhaps better to 'keep kicking the can down the road'.
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Post by jimbo on Jan 5, 2022 0:10:31 GMT
How is the service performing with current virus problems? Little posted here in recent times.
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 5, 2022 10:36:34 GMT
How is the service performing with current virus problems? Little posted here in recent times. Pretty much running close to the wire. We lost several drivers on the Central Line over xmas due to positive tests. If we lose any more then there will have to be a special service implemented.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 10, 2022 16:29:10 GMT
Service changes on London Overground this week:
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Post by dmncf on Jan 25, 2022 9:07:53 GMT
Could someone please tell me, what lines are currently operating a Night Tube / Night Overground service?
I am unsure if the TfL website reflects the current situation e.g. on its map.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jan 25, 2022 9:39:32 GMT
Exactly as shown on the map; -Victoria line -Central line between Ealing Broadway and Hainault/Loughton (non-stopping East Acton both) -London Overground between Highbury & Islington and New Cross Gate.
The Piccadilly and Jubilee lines are pencilled (I stress pencilled) in to return on 15 May with the Northern line following later in the year.
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Post by dmncf on Jan 25, 2022 10:45:41 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Feb 1, 2022 3:13:29 GMT
Government funding support for TfL expires again on this Friday, 4 February, with still no word of an extension to aid longer-term planning of works, etc.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 1, 2022 11:37:32 GMT
Government funding support for TfL expires again on this Friday, 4 February, with still no word of an extension to aid longer-term planning of works, etc. I know its already Tuesday 1st February but the 4th is still half a week away. There is still plenty of time for a last minute proposal, brinkmanship and late night 'last second' negotiations. In the meantime, and perhaps also relevant as to why the decision might be 'last minute', with the ending of 'work from home' and winding down of many covid restrictions I am curious to know whether passengers are now returning in their droves. I do not expect passenger numbers to be exactly what they were before - for instance, mass tourism has not restarted - but TfL desperately needs to recover its income base. I am concerned about the fate of the Travelcard as part of the negotiations.
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Post by Colin on Feb 1, 2022 12:33:45 GMT
with the ending of 'work from home' and winding down of many covid restrictions I am curious to know whether passengers are now returning in their droves. The short & simple answer is no. London Underground is currently seeing around 50% of pre covid levels and London buses around 70%. National Rail is at about 45%. Whilst there is certainly room for the leisure & tourism element to pick up some more, I don't see the regular commuters returning fully to their previous levels as some workplaces (offices primarily of course) have adapted the way they work and are now less reliant on having all their employee's at a fixed work place for all five days of the working week. We are a long long way from T fL being self financing again.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 1, 2022 14:16:34 GMT
My partner works in the civil service. The previous times work-from-home guidance was removed she was in the office 2-3 days a week most weeks, but this time she is still at home every day with no date set for a return to the office (part or full time).
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Post by roman80 on Feb 4, 2022 17:45:20 GMT
*TRANSPORT FOR LONDON FUNDING TALKS EXTENDED TO FEB. 18 just posted on Reuters and Bloomberg News.
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