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Post by North End on Mar 18, 2020 22:02:48 GMT
Night Tube suspended with immediate effect, Waterloo & City Line suspended after tomorrow, also plans being worked on for some targeted station closures. The retrenchment has begun... Where has it been announced about the changes to Night Tube, Waterloo & City Line etc ? Internally.
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Post by DWS on Mar 18, 2020 22:13:10 GMT
Where has it been announced about the changes to Night Tube, Waterloo & City Line etc ? Internally. Ok thanks .
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Post by Chris M on Mar 18, 2020 23:50:38 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 19, 2020 1:08:01 GMT
Just appeared on the TfL website tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/march/planned-services-to-support-london-s-critical-workersWaterloo & City closed from Friday with drivers who were booked for duties will become additional spares at Leytonstone. Night Tube cancelled, no idea what they're going to do with the drivers but Friday and Saturday night are going to be fun as both my duties hand over to NT drivers at Leytonstone eastbound. Maybe the NT mob are going to book on as normal then spend a few hours thumb twiddling between stabling the trains at close of traffic and brining them into service in the morning I've been told by the ASLEF rep that CDP/ATOR/5 day block has been cancelled so happily next week I won't have to sit in a small room with half a dozen colleagues and a training manager M-F 9-5.
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Post by North End on Mar 19, 2020 1:19:19 GMT
Just appeared on the TfL website tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/march/planned-services-to-support-london-s-critical-workersWaterloo & City closed from Friday with drivers who were booked for duties will become additional spares at Leytonstone. Night Tube cancelled, no idea what they're going to do with the drivers but Friday and Saturday night are going to be fun as both my duties hand over to NT drivers at Leytonstone eastbound. Maybe the NT mob are going to book on as normal then spend a few hours thumb twiddling between stabling the trains at close of traffic and brining them into service in the morning I've been told by the ASLEF rep that CDP/ATOR/5 day block has been cancelled so happily next week I won't have to sit in a small room with half a dozen colleagues and a training manager M-F 9-5. I’d imagine the NT crews would simply pick up and stable at some point. The Northern did something similar when NT was cancelled for the emergency rail grinding - a plan was drawn up locally which listed what would happen to each and every train affected. That depends of course on there being the time and expertise available between now and then to knock something up. As regards training, it goes without saying that this can’t be binned indefinitely as key operating staff will go out of licence. Naturally it may be possible to implement an exception for what are clearly emergency circumstances, but at some point the outstanding training will have to be caught up on. Of course all this may well be academic in a few days. I’m sure a fair few staff, especially those living outside London, are beginning to wonder if coming to work is really sensible based on some of this evening’s news reports.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 19, 2020 1:20:24 GMT
"CDP/ATOR" I know ATOR is Annual Test of Rules, but I can't remember CDP?
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Post by North End on Mar 19, 2020 1:23:39 GMT
"CDP/ATOR" I know ATOR is Annual Test of Rules, but I can't remember CDP? Continuous Development Programme. It’s essentially a flashy name for ATOR.
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Post by Colin on Mar 19, 2020 6:55:52 GMT
District is again running the normal Monday to Friday timetable today with the same planned cancellations as yesterday.
Only station closed currently is Bow Road.
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 19, 2020 7:12:48 GMT
Just appeared on the TfL website tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/march/planned-services-to-support-london-s-critical-workersWaterloo & City closed from Friday with drivers who were booked for duties will become additional spares at Leytonstone. Night Tube cancelled, no idea what they're going to do with the drivers but Friday and Saturday night are going to be fun as both my duties hand over to NT drivers at Leytonstone eastbound. Maybe the NT mob are going to book on as normal then spend a few hours thumb twiddling between stabling the trains at close of traffic and brining them into service in the morning I've been told by the ASLEF rep that CDP/ATOR/5 day block has been cancelled so happily next week I won't have to sit in a small room with half a dozen colleagues and a training manager M-F 9-5. They've picked out the stations with lifts.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 19, 2020 9:26:16 GMT
Just appeared on the TfL website tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/march/planned-services-to-support-london-s-critical-workersWaterloo & City closed from Friday with drivers who were booked for duties will become additional spares at Leytonstone. Night Tube cancelled, no idea what they're going to do with the drivers but Friday and Saturday night are going to be fun as both my duties hand over to NT drivers at Leytonstone eastbound. Maybe the NT mob are going to book on as normal then spend a few hours thumb twiddling between stabling the trains at close of traffic and brining them into service in the morning I've been told by the ASLEF rep that CDP/ATOR/5 day block has been cancelled so happily next week I won't have to sit in a small room with half a dozen colleagues and a training manager M-F 9-5. They've picked out the stations with lifts. Bakerloo line Lambeth North - lifts Regents Park - lifts Warwick Avenue - escalators Kilburn Park - escalators Charing Cross - escalators Central line Holland Park - lifts Queensway - lifts Lancaster Gate - lifts Chancery Lane - escalators Redbridge - neither Circle line Bayswater - neither Great Portland Street - neither Barbican - neither District line Bow Road - neither Stepney Green - neither Mansion House - neither Temple - neither St James's Park - neither Gloucester Road - neither Jubilee line Swiss Cottage - escalators St John's Wood - escalators Bermondsey - escalators and lifts Southwark - escalators and lifts Northern line Tuffnell Park - lifts Chalk Farm - lifts Mornington Crescent - lifts Goodge Street - lifts Borough - lifts Clapham South - escalators Tooting Bec - escalators South Wimbledon - escalators Hampstead - lifts Piccadilly line Caledonian Road - lifts Arsenal - neither Covent Garden - lifts Hyde Park Corner - escalators Bounds Green - escalators Manor House - escalators Victoria line Pimlico - escalators Blackhorse Road = escalators to Victoria Line, lifts to London Overground
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 19, 2020 9:30:00 GMT
This morning I heard on the radio news that 40 Underground stations have closed & services reduced Altho' not travelling at the moment I was still curious to know more - so I went to the TfL website tfl.gov.ukWaste of time - no info about closed stations and all lines were showing 'a good service' except Circle and Hamm & City, these show a 15 minute frequency. btw, re: the comment about closed stations all having lifts, Redbridge does not have lifts - nor for that matter does it have escalators. Its so shallow that it only has steps. Also, a comment on the Ian Visits page suggests that local people are peeved that Blackhorse Road is closed - as its an important Goblin / Victoria line interchange station. I wonder if the stations chosen to close are partly because of local staffing issues? I am surprised to see that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle stations are still open - especially Roding Valley! I do hope that all these stations reopen again afterwards. edit to add: it looks like that both I and aslefshrugged were typing our messages at the same time... but aslefshrugged finished his message before I finished mine!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 19, 2020 9:44:16 GMT
Looking back at yesterdays (18/3) figures: (no staff, maximum at varying times)) Victoria 21 cancelled Piccadilly 14 District 11 H&C/Circle 11 Northern 9 Bakerloo 6 Central 5 Jubilee 5 MET 4
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 19, 2020 9:50:48 GMT
This morning I heard on the radio news that 40 Underground stations have closed & services reduced Altho' not travelling at the moment I was still curious to know more - so I went to the TfL website tfl.gov.ukThe status update page shows services and stations closed: Status updates
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Post by futurix on Mar 19, 2020 10:06:07 GMT
Reducing services and closing some stations might be good for TfL's finances - but awful for travellers. Less trains means more people crowding on the remaining ones and getting exposed, closed stations means more people taking the buses, etc...
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Post by jacks on Mar 19, 2020 10:14:38 GMT
I wonder if the stations chosen to close are partly because of local staffing issues? I am surprised to see that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle stations are still open - especially Roding Valley! Do you mean you're surprised that the shuttle is still operating, as opposed to the stations still being open? I don't think any of the stations on the shuttle section (from a brief glance at Google images - I've never actually traveled over this section) are sub-surface, so they won't have a minimum staffing level to keep them open. In part at least it looks like they're choosing one out of a pair of stations to close, so that all staff available are utilized to keep the priority station open. Eg. Covent Garden closed so that staff report to work at Leicester Square, Goodge Street closed so that the staff are used at Warren Street. Blackhorse Road (if and when it actually closes) will be in order to keep Walthamstow Central open
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 19, 2020 10:40:53 GMT
This morning I heard on the radio news that 40 Underground stations have closed & services reduced Altho' not travelling at the moment I was still curious to know more - so I went to the TfL website tfl.gov.ukWaste of time - no info about closed stations and all lines were showing 'a good service' except Circle and Hamm & City, these show a 15 minute frequency. btw, re: the comment about closed stations all having lifts, Redbridge does not have lifts - nor for that matter does it have escalators. Its so shallow that it only has steps. Also, a comment on the Ian Visits page suggests that local people are peeved that Blackhorse Road is closed - as its an important Goblin / Victoria line interchange station. I wonder if the stations chosen to close are partly because of local staffing issues? I am surprised to see that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle stations are still open - especially Roding Valley! I do hope that all these stations reopen again afterwards. edit to add: it looks like that both I and aslefshrugged were typing our messages at the same time... but aslefshrugged finished his message before I finished mine! As someone else mentioned Blackhorse Road is on a "twinned" "Area" with Walthamstow Central but its also part of a "Cover Group" that covers the six stations down to Highbury & Islington, all six stations are Section 12s and all are interchanges. Out of those six Blackhorse Road has the least number of passengers six and when there was an overtime ban a few years ago it was always the station that management chose to close first. As for the other stations you'd have to check which "Areas" and "Cover Groups" they are in and I can't be bothered running through them all. Another factor is how close they are to another station e.g. Charing Cross is closed but Embankment is a short walk down Villiers Street, ditto Chancery Lane/Holborn and Redbridge/Snaresbrook Roding Valley, Chigwell and Grange Hill are not "Section 12s" and can be left open without any staff. There is absolutely no reason why the stations will not reopen once there are enough staff.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 19, 2020 10:47:02 GMT
Reducing services and closing some stations might be good for TfL's finances - but awful for travellers. Less trains means more people crowding on the remaining ones and getting exposed, closed stations means more people taking the buses, etc... If you don't have enough staff on a station to meet the minimum level under the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) Regulations 2009 it would be illegal to open to passengers And if you don't have enough drivers to run a full timetable you are going to have fewer trains.
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Post by DWS on Mar 19, 2020 11:13:57 GMT
Reducing services and closing some stations might be good for TfL's finances - but awful for travellers. Less trains means more people crowding on the remaining ones and getting exposed, closed stations means more people taking the buses, etc... How will this be good for TfL’s finances, if staff are moved to elsewhere they will still be paid, if they are sick they get paid.
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 19, 2020 11:15:38 GMT
Interesting to see the closure of Queensway and Bayswater. The stations are only a short walk from each other and would be a great help to leave one of them open. Actually Queensway is still open at present.
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 19, 2020 11:24:11 GMT
This morning I heard on the radio news that 40 Underground stations have closed & services reduced Altho' not travelling at the moment I was still curious to know more - so I went to the TfL website tfl.gov.ukWaste of time - no info about closed stations and all lines were showing 'a good service' except Circle and Hamm & City, these show a 15 minute frequency. btw, re: the comment about closed stations all having lifts, Redbridge does not have lifts - nor for that matter does it have escalators. Its so shallow that it only has steps. Also, a comment on the Ian Visits page suggests that local people are peeved that Blackhorse Road is closed - as its an important Goblin / Victoria line interchange station. I wonder if the stations chosen to close are partly because of local staffing issues? I am surprised to see that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle stations are still open - especially Roding Valley! I do hope that all these stations reopen again afterwards. edit to add: it looks like that both I and aslefshrugged were typing our messages at the same time... but aslefshrugged finished his message before I finished mine! As someone else mentioned Blackhorse Road is on a "twinned" "Area" with Walthamstow Central but its also part of a "Cover Group" that covers the six stations down to Highbury & Islington, all six stations are Section 12s and all are interchanges. Out of those six Blackhorse Road has the least number of passengers six and when there was an overtime ban a few years ago it was always the station that management chose to close first. As for the other stations you'd have to check which "Areas" and "Cover Groups" they are in and I can't be bothered running through them all. Another factor is how close they are to another station e.g. Charing Cross is closed but Embankment is a short walk down Villiers Street, ditto Chancery Lane/Holborn and Redbridge/Snaresbrook Roding Valley, Chigwell and Grange Hill are not "Section 12s" and can be left open without any staff.There is absolutely no reason why the stations will not reopen once there are enough staff. Just hope there is no emergency where the driver needs assistance then.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 19, 2020 12:21:37 GMT
Roding Valley, Chigwell and Grange Hill are not "Section 12s" and can be left open without any staff. Just hope there is no emergency where the driver needs assistance then. Just hope the CCTV at Roding Valley or Grange Hill doesn't fail, Category A platforms where drivers have to have be dispatched by station staff. There was an incident at Snaresbrook a few years ago when the station was unstaffed, the driver had to wait for either the mobile Customer Service Manager covering Leyton - Woodford or the east end Duty Response Manager.
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Post by brigham on Mar 19, 2020 12:25:30 GMT
Just hope there is no emergency where the driver needs assistance then. That's the perennial problem with legsalised under-staffing.
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Post by piccboy on Mar 19, 2020 12:36:59 GMT
This morning I heard on the radio news that 40 Underground stations have closed & services reduced Altho' not travelling at the moment I was still curious to know more - so I went to the TfL website tfl.gov.ukWaste of time - no info about closed stations and all lines were showing 'a good service' except Circle and Hamm & City, these show a 15 minute frequency. btw, re: the comment about closed stations all having lifts, Redbridge does not have lifts - nor for that matter does it have escalators. Its so shallow that it only has steps. Also, a comment on the Ian Visits page suggests that local people are peeved that Blackhorse Road is closed - as its an important Goblin / Victoria line interchange station. I wonder if the stations chosen to close are partly because of local staffing issues? I am surprised to see that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle stations are still open - especially Roding Valley! I do hope that all these stations reopen again afterwards. edit to add: it looks like that both I and aslefshrugged were typing our messages at the same time... but aslefshrugged finished his message before I finished mine! On the Tfl website tfl.gov.uk, if you click on any of the Underground lines (DLR / Overground, TfL Rail), this will take you to a more detailed Service update screen. If you look towards the top, on the left side above the list of lines it has tabs for Lines and Stations. If you click on Stations, it will list all stations which are closed, and those that have restrictions, i.e. defective lifts and escalators. Here is a direct link for ease of use tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/#stations-statusApologies if this post seems to be very basic, as someone who has written instructions on how to use Computer software in the past, I am aware that people reading this post would have a wide range of computer (smart device) literacy, so I have written it to include all.
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 19, 2020 12:43:24 GMT
This morning I heard on the radio news that 40 Underground stations have closed & services reduced Altho' not travelling at the moment I was still curious to know more - so I went to the TfL website tfl.gov.ukWaste of time - no info about closed stations and all lines were showing 'a good service' except Circle and Hamm & City, these show a 15 minute frequency. btw, re: the comment about closed stations all having lifts, Redbridge does not have lifts - nor for that matter does it have escalators. Its so shallow that it only has steps. Also, a comment on the Ian Visits page suggests that local people are peeved that Blackhorse Road is closed - as its an important Goblin / Victoria line interchange station. I wonder if the stations chosen to close are partly because of local staffing issues? I am surprised to see that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle stations are still open - especially Roding Valley! I do hope that all these stations reopen again afterwards. edit to add: it looks like that both I and aslefshrugged were typing our messages at the same time... but aslefshrugged finished his message before I finished mine! On the Tfl website tfl.gov.uk, if you click on any of the Underground lines (DLR / Overground, TfL Rail), this will take you to a more detailed Service update screen. If you look towards the top, on the left side above the list of lines it has tabs for Lines and Stations. If you click on Stations, it will list all stations which are closed, and those that have restrictions, i.e. defective lifts and escalators. Here is a direct link for ease of use tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/#stations-statusApologies if this post seems to be very basic, as someone who has written instructions on how to use Computer software in the past, I am aware that people reading this post would have a wide range of computer (smart device) literacy, so I have written it to include all. If you scroll down the TfL page and click on the Media button and then Press releases you will see the details. They have been copied onto this thread. It appears that the closures are more likely from the 23rd. Bow Road was closed this morning.
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Post by Colin on Mar 19, 2020 12:50:40 GMT
Less trains means more people crowding on the remaining ones and getting exposed I keep seeing this on social media..... Thing is passenger numbers are way way down on what we normally see. Granted a piccadilly line train adjacent to my District train at Barons Court westbound at 6.30 this morning was well loaded, but at Earls Court at 8.30 this morning I could count the people on the platform with one hand. Every time I looked at the CCTV on my train I could easily see lots of empty seats in every carriage. So every time I see posts along the lines of less trains equalling overcrowding I can't help but ask........where do you think these crowds of people are going to materilise from?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 19, 2020 13:17:56 GMT
I just hope that the restrictions are not lifted suddenly without notice. If LU is expecting a vastly reduced number of passengers but 90% of the usual load turn up it isn't going to be pretty.
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Post by Colin on Mar 19, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
That is the million dollar question at this stage isn't it?!
Nobody knows what the end game looks like......
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 19, 2020 16:57:59 GMT
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Post by futurix on Mar 19, 2020 18:43:52 GMT
where do you think these crowds of people are going to materilise from? What I'm trying to say is - it is in the interest of the people who have to take the tube to have frequent trains that are nearly empty. It's the only way to have working 'social distancing'. Anything that forces people closer than 2 metres apart is to their detriment.
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 19, 2020 19:04:36 GMT
I think it’s really important to reiterate that the primary reason for reducing services and closing stations is down to staff availability. It is much better to run something that is sustainable and can be advertised than not do that. TfL are fully aware of the benefits of not reducing services for any other reasons. Over the last 48 hours availability across all operating departments (public facing and not) has really dipped - and will of course dip more.
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