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Post by spsmiler on Sept 24, 2020 17:37:31 GMT
This afternoon I let curiosity get the better of me... starting from Gants Hill I could have tried going around the loop (ie: via Chigwell) but instead went via Leytonstone and ensured that I was travelling on a Woodford terminator and yes, the train arrived at the bay platform, having reached it via 21 road. It then stayed there for about 15 minutes before departing again (towards Ealing Broadway), with the next terminator arriving just a few minutes later.
So, finally I've travelled on Woodford bay platform trains and through No.21 road in both directions. More rare track, now 'done'!
Whilst at Woodford I also saw trains for Hainault entering platform 2 (the westbound platform) as a westbound train (eg: having arrived from Roding Valley) and then departing back east - towards Roding Valley. I did not note if the train driver was changing ends very quickly or there was a different driver ready to take the train away from Woodford.
Overall, whilst out this afternoon I saw several Woodfords, Grange Hill via Woodfords, Eppings, Loughtons, Hainault via Newbury Parks and Hainault shuttles (still 8 cars long). I feel sure I also saw a Woodford via Hainalt.
But I did not see any Debden or Newbury Park trains.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 24, 2020 18:12:05 GMT
Looking at Trackernet my White City to Newbury Park (T122), currently at Ealing Bwy, is a Woodford so I'm guessing all Newbury Parks have been diverted to Woodford.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 24, 2020 18:55:45 GMT
Looking at Trackernet my White City to Newbury Park (T122), currently at Ealing Bwy, is a Woodford so I'm guessing all Newbury Parks have been diverted to Woodford. That is what I thought is the case, but are there normally just four Newbury Park trains an hour? I thought there might be more, in which case some have also become Grange Hill (or Hainault) via Woodford trains. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 24, 2020 20:14:08 GMT
That is what I thought is the case, but are there normally just four Newbury Park trains an hour? I thought there might be more, in which case some have also become Grange Hill (or Hainault) via Woodford trains. In TTN223/20 there are three Newbury Park-Ealing trains per hour |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2020 7:50:31 GMT
While I was on Platform 1 at Woodford they reversed a Woodford - Hainault shuttle off Platform 2.
TTN223/20 has T122 as a Newbury Park - Ealing Broadway - Hainault via Newbury Park - finish, instead it was Woodford - Ealing Broadway - Grange Hill via Woodford - finish. From Woodford to Snaresbrook the platform describers were saying the destination was Leytonstone but when I got to Leytonstone it had changed to Ealing Broadway. At Grange Park I sat on the platform for about five minutes while I waited for the train in front of me to reverse off the wash road with a Hainault and another Grange Hill reverser stuck behind me. It's somewhat less than perfect...
I've got three trips to Hainault today and a Newbury Park tomorrow, hopefully someone tells me where I'm going although I'll probably have to check the platform describers when I change ends
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Post by noddymac on Sept 25, 2020 13:48:52 GMT
Talking to a few Train Ops, apparently the power issue at Newbury Park was attempted to be rectified last night and testing failed so the issue could be ongoing with a shuttle service on the Hainault loop for the “foreseeable”. As I commute from Hainault to and from work, it’s gonna be fun! I believe it’s currently 16TPH on the loop?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2020 18:03:03 GMT
Talking to a few Train Ops, apparently the power issue at Newbury Park was attempted to be rectified last night and testing failed so the issue could be ongoing with a shuttle service on the Hainault loop for the “foreseeable”. As I commute from Hainault to and from work, it’s gonna be fun! I believe it’s currently 16TPH on the loop? Shuttles on the loop are unlikely as the only way to reverse at Leytonstone to go back to Hainault is to tip out on Platform 1 or 2, close up the train and do the mainline shunt over to Platform 3. Trying to do that during the morning peak would be a nightmare. |
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Post by noddymac on Sept 25, 2020 20:08:57 GMT
Talking to a few Train Ops, apparently the power issue at Newbury Park was attempted to be rectified last night and testing failed so the issue could be ongoing with a shuttle service on the Hainault loop for the “foreseeable”. As I commute from Hainault to and from work, it’s gonna be fun! I believe it’s currently 16TPH on the loop? Shuttles on the loop are unlikely as the only way to reverse at Leytonstone to go back to Hainault is to tip out on Platform 1 or 2, close up the train and do the mainline shunt over to Platform 3. Trying to do that during the morning peak would be a nightmare. I did think this. Fingers crossed it’s resolved soon. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 26, 2020 14:54:46 GMT
While I was on Platform 1 at Woodford they reversed a Woodford - Hainault shuttle off Platform 2. TTN223/20 has T122 as a Newbury Park - Ealing Broadway - Hainault via Newbury Park - finish, instead it was Woodford - Ealing Broadway - Grange Hill via Woodford - finish. From Woodford to Snaresbrook the platform describers were saying the destination was Leytonstone but when I got to Leytonstone it had changed to Ealing Broadway. At Grange Park I sat on the platform for about five minutes while I waited for the train in front of me to reverse off the wash road with a Hainault and another Grange Hill reverser stuck behind me. It's somewhat less than perfect... I've got three trips to Hainault today and a Newbury Park tomorrow, hopefully someone tells me where I'm going although I'll probably have to check the platform describers when I change ends As the person in charge of the train I would hope that you do find out where you are going in a better way than looking at platform train describers! Otherwise you could accept a wrong signal and end up where you don't want to be - without even realising it! Admittedly the options on the Central line are not that many - unlike the Subsurface + Piccadilly. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 26, 2020 15:04:55 GMT
I've got three trips to Hainault today and a Newbury Park tomorrow, hopefully someone tells me where I'm going although I'll probably have to check the platform describers when I change ends As the person in charge of the train I would hope that you do find out where you are going in a better way than looking at platform train describers! . Even if you think you know where you're going, it's probably a good idea to check the train describers otherwise you'll get a lot of disgruntled passengers. |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 26, 2020 15:49:14 GMT
Often the train’s destination is altered long before the driver is told - if they’re told at all!
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 26, 2020 18:06:50 GMT
While I was on Platform 1 at Woodford they reversed a Woodford - Hainault shuttle off Platform 2. TTN223/20 has T122 as a Newbury Park - Ealing Broadway - Hainault via Newbury Park - finish, instead it was Woodford - Ealing Broadway - Grange Hill via Woodford - finish. From Woodford to Snaresbrook the platform describers were saying the destination was Leytonstone but when I got to Leytonstone it had changed to Ealing Broadway. At Grange Park I sat on the platform for about five minutes while I waited for the train in front of me to reverse off the wash road with a Hainault and another Grange Hill reverser stuck behind me. It's somewhat less than perfect... I've got three trips to Hainault today and a Newbury Park tomorrow, hopefully someone tells me where I'm going although I'll probably have to check the platform describers when I change ends As the person in charge of the train I would hope that you do find out where you are going in a better way than looking at platform train describers! Otherwise you could accept a wrong signal and end up where you don't want to be - without even realising it! Admittedly the options on the Central line are not that many - unlike the Subsurface + Piccadilly. As I mentioned the train was booked to Ealing Bwy and as I'd not been told to terminate at Leytonstone I ignored the platform describers. Sure enough when I got to Leytonstone the describers had changed back to Ealing Bwy and the signal had cleared. If the describers at Leytonstone had been "Terminates Here" I'd have called Wood Lane to ask if they'd forgotten to tell me something. Nine times out of ten we're too busy checking the platform edge to notice the platform describers, I only noticed because I changed ends at Woodford and happened to look up. If there's been a change of destination that I've not been informed about and I accept a signal for my original route then that's Wood Lane's error not mine. I was once instructed to change a Hainault via Newbury Park to a Hainault via Woodford but when I got to Leytonstone the indicator was sending me up towards Hainault. I called up the signaller who insisted that I'd been told to make my train a Woodford via Hainault but as I never heard anything more about it I'm guessing when they checked the recordings they found that it was the controller's error. |
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Post by hobbayne on Sept 27, 2020 10:18:09 GMT
I have had a few trains run around the loop as NEP sdg was out of commission. On arrival at Grange Hill a Leytonstone destination was showing on the platform describer which was corrected at LYS west.
It must be a signalling anomoly.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 27, 2020 11:17:51 GMT
I have had a few trains run around the loop as NEP sdg was out of commission. On arrival at Grange Hill a Leytonstone destination was showing on the platform describer which was corrected at LYS west. It must be a signalling anomoly. Newbury Park sidings aren't out of commission, on Friday I was short tripped there for late running when I was supposed to be a Hainault via Newbury Park and went up there again yesterday as per timetable. Don't know what is going on with the "Leytonstone" destinations, we've done Woodford or Grange Hill reversers before and that's not been a issue so maybe its a new "anomaly". |
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Post by hobbayne on Sept 27, 2020 16:17:04 GMT
I have had a few trains run around the loop as NEP sdg was out of commission. On arrival at Grange Hill a Leytonstone destination was showing on the platform describer which was corrected at LYS west. It must be a signalling anomoly. , on Friday I was short tripped there for late running when I was supposed to be a Hainault via Newbury Park and went up there again yesterday as per timetable. Don't know what is going on with the "Leytonstone" destinations, we've done Woodford or Grange Hill reversers before and that's not been a issue so maybe its a new "anomaly". Sorry, I didnt make myself clear. Not recently, this was a few months back. The Leytonstone TD was showing back then too. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 2, 2020 12:43:42 GMT
Trains were held outside Woodford in both directions last night due to a passenger stripping naked on the platform.
I don't know if it that had anything to do with the shuttles or the traction problems but I don't remember ever hearing that one in the last 22 years.
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 11, 2020 17:13:10 GMT
Has the power issue at Newbury Pk been resolved?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 14, 2020 16:44:11 GMT
Has the power issue at Newbury Pk been resolved? this popped up in Staff information: |
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 14, 2020 21:03:00 GMT
20 tons? I thought it was only a fuse or similar.  |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 14, 2020 22:31:09 GMT
Its great that there is a spare ... even though its little used its still proven to be worth its weight in gold - whilst the faulty one is repaired.
Getting hold of a brand new one (quickly!) would have been a challenge at the best of times, so in the present era it would likely have been unaffordable and unobainable
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Post by jimbo on Oct 14, 2020 23:11:06 GMT
I think this piece of kit was only recently obtained after a similar problem at ?Mile End? which caused much more trouble. (Details anyone?)
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 11, 2020 17:45:27 GMT
New updated Car Line Diagrams have been spotted. Additions include the OSI at Hanger Lane for the Piccadilly line at Park Royal and the precedent of a 'pecked' line to show the Hainault shuttle and a 'cased' line to show through Loop trains via Woodford.
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Post by AndrewS on Nov 12, 2020 10:00:55 GMT
New updated Car Line Diagrams have been spotted. Additions include the OSI at Hanger Lane for the Piccadilly line at Park Royal and the precedent of a 'pecked' line to show the Hainault shuttle and a 'cased' line to show through Loop trains via Woodford. Any chance of a photo as I'm unlikely to go anywhere near the Central line in the current world? That does sound an over-complicated way of showing service patterns which might be better dealt with by just saying "if your destination is not shown take the first train and change where necessary". |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 12, 2020 12:53:24 GMT
It sounds like it’s being displayed the way the Woodford-Hainault shuttle used to be; it’s extremely clear and understood (and was never fully eradicated from platform signage).
Introducing “Change where needed” legends on in car maps would not be particularly helpful.
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Post by stapler on Nov 12, 2020 13:59:21 GMT
New updated Car Line Diagrams have been spotted. Additions include the OSI at Hanger Lane for the Piccadilly line at Park Royal and the precedent of a 'pecked' line to show the Hainault shuttle and a 'cased' line to show through Loop trains via Woodford. Any chance of a photo as I'm unlikely to go anywhere near the Central line in the current world? That does sound an over-complicated way of showing service patterns which might be better dealt with by just saying "if your destination is not shown take the first train and change where necessary". Which is exactly what the old (pre 1992) train describers on the Central Line did, reflecting the service pattern when they were installed... |
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 12, 2020 20:29:20 GMT
I suppose that I could go for a short ride between Newbury Park and Gants Hill, as that would get me on a train (and able to take a photo) without travelling too far from home.
The only issue for me would be what to say should I meet an inquisitive Mr Plod asking about my journey. We are in a lockdown period where we are supposed to be staying at home as much as possible and I cannot think of a legitimate excuse for travelling which would be acceptable.
The lockdown ends in two and half weeks from now. I think it would be better to wait until then.
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 12, 2020 23:49:04 GMT
It's worth noting that given how unhurried the roll out of new Car Line Diagrams are (there are still a fair number of Olympic diagrams about) due to maintenance cycles and the fact that these have only just been spotted probably means that the chances of finding one at the moment are fairly slim.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 30, 2020 13:16:40 GMT
Has the power issue at Newbury Pk been resolved? this popped up in Staff information: I made a video about this, showing and riding trains using the rare tracks. I put the film in the photography section.... districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/498928/threadAs an aside, I await round two. However the present caronavirus situation is such that this issue does not affect me - because Tier 4 rules mean that I am not allowed to use the trains, at present. |
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Post by commuter on Jan 11, 2021 15:58:28 GMT
Has the plan to run 4 car trains (at least in Summer when de icing units are no longer required) now been officially dropped?
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Post by alexiscold on Jan 16, 2021 9:27:20 GMT
I took 2 pictures of the new diagram <blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="a/VM7CfgG" ><a href="//imgur.com/a/VM7CfgG">Central line#</a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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