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Post by stapler on Jan 29, 2019 14:46:45 GMT
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Post by patrickb on Jan 29, 2019 18:55:52 GMT
Here we are, hope you enjoy it. Was lucky to have a day off both today and yesterday to catch the event. I suppose we have to just wait for the new Aventra trains to start operating in passenger service.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 29, 2019 19:09:43 GMT
Not *quite* on topic but if I go up there for a ride, are there any stations between the two termini of any architectural note or anything significant near any stations? (If it turns into a long discussion or threatens to derail the original purpose of this thread, I'll create a new thread) Completely off topic but the Salisbury is less than half a mile north of Haringey Green Lanes, Grade II listed, 1898-9, by John Cathles Rill in the French Renaissance style with shaped gables, ogee domed cupolas and large pedimented dormers. Worth a trip for a pint or two...
britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101358865-the-salisbury-public-house-st-anns-ward
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 29, 2019 22:00:10 GMT
Why have the trains been stripped of numbers?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 29, 2019 22:21:39 GMT
Why have the trains been stripped of numbers? Trains? I thought there was only one (378232) converted so far. As to why it is missing its numbering (both unit and individual cars), maybe it's an (apparently successful!) attempt to disguise the fact that it's the only one. But it is odd - it's still in original livery so it's not been repainted (after which they might not have had time to re-apply the numbers?) |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 29, 2019 22:22:05 GMT
Why have the trains been stripped of numbers? I’d assume because these units having had their interiors done up would be due for re-liveries very soon using different contrast colours for the numbers so I guess regulations permitting, there’s little incentive. It would make sense for this to take place after the units have returned to their five car formation although arguably the same could be said for the interior refresh. Also the new livery has dispensed with exterior numbers on intermediary cars with silver numbers on end cab sides being the only external numbers. |
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Post by marcmck on Jan 30, 2019 0:06:00 GMT
Not *quite* on topic but if I go up there for a ride, are there any stations between the two termini of any architectural note or anything significant near any stations? (If it turns into a long discussion or threatens to derail the original purpose of this thread, I'll create a new thread) There are still original station buildings extant at upper holloway, crouch hill and harringay green lanes - none are resplendent with any architectural flourish and currently let to businesses but sad that the lines rejeuvenatuon hasn’t seen consideration of these buildings brought back to railway use, perhaps as part of a project to gate these stations |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 30, 2019 7:38:16 GMT
My OCD tendancies are tingling, why have they chosen to remove the car that they have? Now the pantograph is close to the cab rather than centrally located if they had removed the other intermediate vehicle.
Grr.
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Post by stapler on Jan 30, 2019 8:17:27 GMT
There is of course the original 1870 Hoe Street station building at Walthamstow Central along the pathway from Q Rd. Amazing survival though now dwarfed by awful high-rises, courtesy of LBWF.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 30, 2019 10:18:06 GMT
My OCD tendencies are tingling, why have they chosen to remove the car that they have? Now the pantograph is close to the cab rather than centrally located if they had removed the other intermediate vehicle. Grr. That was always the arrangement when they ran as 4-car units. See this video of a unit in its original 4-car state. (The pantograph can be seen at the leading end of the second car). Also  378232 was one of the units originally delivered as a four-car unit, and the car that was added later (38432) is the one that was added when the formation was increased from four cars to five. I don't know whether there is any significant difference between the two intermediate cars, but since it was known to have worked with only the fourth car (382xx) and had not previously been tried with only the fifth car (384xx), it was presumably more prudent to go back to a formation that had been used before. The first 24 units were built as 3-car sets, so presumably they can operate with both intermediate (non-pantograph) cars absent. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2019 13:27:52 GMT
Why have the trains been stripped of numbers? Eh? The unit number is now on the side of the train at the front rather than on being on the actual front of the unit. I believe this is to distinguish the unit from others. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 30, 2019 14:21:32 GMT
Why have the trains been stripped of numbers? Eh? The unit number is now on the side of the train at the front rather than on being on the actual front of the unit. I believe this is to distinguish the unit from others. So it is - the car numbers have also moved and are low down on the blue skirt, about halfway along each car. Not very obvious there so I think we can be forgiven for not having noticed them. Regardless of the aesthetics (and the convenience of the spotting fraternity), I do wonder whether this is an improvement from the operational point of view. |
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Post by peterc on Jan 30, 2019 15:46:15 GMT
Eh? The unit number is now on the side of the train at the front rather than on being on the actual front of the unit. I believe this is to distinguish the unit from others. So it is - the car numbers have also moved and are low down on the blue skirt, about halfway along each car. Not very obvious there so I think we can be forgiven for not having noticed them. Regardless of the aesthetics (and the convenience of the spotting fraternity), I do wonder whether this is an improvement from the operational point of view. The same as the 345s. I noticed that when using TfL Rail on Monday and thought that train spotters would hate it. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 30, 2019 16:06:54 GMT
I noticed that when using TfL Rail on Monday and thought that train spotters would hate it. They've had it easy for far too long. A good dose of detective work will sharpen them all up........  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 30, 2019 16:35:48 GMT
When the Voyagers and Super Voyagers were introduced the numbers were low on the front of the left valence. The fitters liked it, the crew grumbled because it was difficult to check when picking up a train and the spotters despised it!
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 30, 2019 19:44:30 GMT
When the Voyagers and Super Voyagers were introduced the numbers were low on the front of the left valence. The fitters liked it, the crew grumbled because it was difficult to check when picking up a train and the spotters despised it! I think they should go the whole hog and switch to bar-codes.  If I can manage it in ASDA then fitters and crew can as well.  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 30, 2019 19:54:50 GMT
No, because then the spotters will build an app which will mean they:
1) Get stupidly close to moving trains trying to scan the barcode
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2) Their phone will do it automatically for them and they then they'll have nothing to do.
Anyway, we drift....
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Post by slugabed on Jan 30, 2019 21:35:50 GMT
I was lucky enough to stumble across an electric unit by chance today and the superior acceleration was evident.
One thing that I was struck by,though,was that the 20mph crawl over the Lea bridges is sill in place despite them being rebuilt a few yeas ago….are there plans to lift the speed in this section in due course (apologies if this has already been discussed earlier)?
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2019 22:17:16 GMT
I was lucky enough to stumble across an electric unit by chance today and the superior acceleration was evident. One thing that I was struck by,though,was that the 20mph crawl over the Lea bridges is sill in place despite them being rebuilt a few yeas ago….are there plans to lift the speed in this section in due course (apologies if this has already been discussed earlier)? This frustrates me too. I have a suspicion that one of the bridges there hasn't actually been touched and that's why there is still a restriction. Three shorter spans were refurbed and one major span was replaced. Looking on Google Earth satellite view suitably tilted and zoomed in it looks like the bridge over Bream Drive was not touched but three spans near the Wetlands Pump House plus the wide span over the River Lea were done. Seems a crazy approach given how long NR were on site but there are still worn out bridges at the eastern end of the route that need replacement. I assume NR simply couldn't justify the spend. Happy to be corrected if someone knows what was done. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 30, 2019 22:32:30 GMT
I noticed that when using TfL Rail on Monday and thought that train spotters would hate it. They've had it easy for far too long. A good dose of detective work will sharpen them all up........ I suspect that many train spotters would use the word 'spoilsport' - not me however, since I've never been into spotting or filming every train in the entire fleet.
As it happens, I went to Blackhorse Road station to film the electric train and ended up managing to film a train pass with one each - a Class 172 diesel Turbostar and a Capitalstar Class 378.
Although 'hoped for' this was not expected... I say this because the trains were timed for three minutes apart and the train I arrived on (from Leytonstone High St) had left the station before the train travelling towards Barking arrived Therefore I was caught out by not having my cameras ready and alas, at times this film is somewhat unsteady
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 31, 2019 7:27:43 GMT
I was lucky enough to stumble across an electric unit by chance today and the superior acceleration was evident. One thing that I was struck by,though,was that the 20mph crawl over the Lea bridges is sill in place despite them being rebuilt a few yeas ago….are there plans to lift the speed in this section in due course (apologies if this has already been discussed earlier)? AFAIK all the bridges over the river Lea have been replaced & the 20mph section of track annoys all of us that drive over it. All I have heard is rumors about the speed being raised back up but nothing in writing.. Hopefully this year it will be sorted. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 31, 2019 8:20:36 GMT
I suspect that many train spotters would use the word 'spoilsport' Yup! I burst balloons at childrens' parties as well. Nice video BTW. |
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Post by PGtrips on Jan 31, 2019 15:50:26 GMT
Here we are, hope you enjoy it. Was lucky to have a day off both today and yesterday to catch the event. I suppose we have to just wait for the new Aventra trains to start operating in passenger service. As an aside, I love 'Incredibly pi$$ed off of Gospel Oak's audible sigh at 2.47 as they negotiate your tripod. |
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Post by cudsn15 on Jan 31, 2019 17:55:51 GMT
Harringay Green Lanes used to be the best place to see two trains alongside each other on this line - however with the current lopsided timetable who knows?!
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 31, 2019 20:15:09 GMT
As an aside, I love 'Incredibly pi$$ed off of Gospel Oak's audible sigh at 2.47 as they negotiate your tripod. I assumed that was because the delay they'd just looked at was showing more than 3minutes until the next train. |
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Post by patrickb on Feb 1, 2019 0:17:20 GMT
I had no tripod. The woman saw that she just missed a goblin train and looked up to see when the next one was due, which was 15 minutes.
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 1, 2019 22:41:58 GMT
Not *quite* on topic but if I go up there for a ride, are there any stations between the two termini of any architectural note or anything significant near any stations? (If it turns into a long discussion or threatens to derail the original purpose of this thread, I'll create a new thread) Wrong time of the year for it, but Crouch Hill isn't far from the Parkland Walk on the former Northern Heights, up to Highgate and on to Muswell Hill. When the Voyagers and Super Voyagers were introduced the numbers were low on the front of the left valence. The fitters liked it, the crew grumbled because it was difficult to check when picking up a train and the spotters despised it! I assume it is feasible to have the number in more than one place? Some buses, for example, have the vehicle number stencilled above the filler cap, presumably to make life easier for somebody doing paperwork when fuelling. I had no tripod. The woman saw that she just missed a goblin train and looked up to see when the next one was due, which was 15 minutes. They will be thoroughly cheerful, then, when the next chapter of the dog's breakfast that is this project unfolds. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 5, 2019 13:42:14 GMT
Based on a reliable source on another forum it seems 378 206 is the next unit being converted to 4 cars for use on the GOBLIN.
It also seems clear that the M-F service will reduce to half hourly when all of the 172s have gone and only 3 378s are available. It is unclear what happens at weekends given the need for the 378s to have maintenance attention.
EDIT 5.2.19 - Unit 209 is the third and final unit being converted.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 5, 2019 17:28:42 GMT
The GOBLin user group have tweeted this same info:
(Embedded tweet above)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 23:59:40 GMT
It is unclear what happens at weekends given the need for the 378s to have maintenance attention. Perhaps the solution here would be to reduce one other unit - and use it on GOBLIN during weekends only. It is a small loss of weekday capacity elsewhere, but would allow better weekend service on GOBLIN route. |
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