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Post by sunnyday on Apr 5, 2021 16:53:36 GMT
Photos of the platform rationalisation/extension works at Liverpool Street Mainline station getting underway. Click here if Tweet fails to load Interesting photos - it looks like platform 17 is being filled over with the tracks at platform 18 retained but with potential separate loading/unloading sides - like occasionally happens at Golders Green. Whilst to accommodate full length Elizabeth Line trains they have lost a platform at Liverpool Street, I guess they can partially offset that capacity impact by being able to reduce the turn-around dwell time significantly, simply by opening the doors on the narrower exit side platform shortly before opening the doors on the boarding side. The new platform widths suggests the much wider platform 17 will normally be used for boarding with platform 18 becoming the exit side, and presumably the favourite side for the driver to change ends quickly assuming they will not be stepping back. Also on the east side of Elizabethe line I see a planning application for a massively enlarged housing development at Romford have just been announced/ linkI suspect the developer hopes both the core and the new Liverpool Street platform are open and fully bedded in well before the "Urban Village" development actually opens for residents. We have been told that there will be a barrier/railing along where the existing P18 is, so the only alighting and boarding will be via P17. P18 will be staff only to allow access to the offices / toilets / mess rooms, etc. |
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Post by Tom on Apr 5, 2021 18:21:51 GMT
We have been told that there will be a barrier/railing along where the existing P18 is, so the only alighting and boarding will be via P17. P18 will be staff only to allow access to the offices / toilets / mess rooms, etc. In that case I'm going to ask a really dumb question - why have new sleepers been laid if they're going to be permanently built over? |
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Post by Chris L on Apr 5, 2021 19:51:35 GMT
We have been told that there will be a barrier/railing along where the existing P18 is, so the only alighting and boarding will be via P17. P18 will be staff only to allow access to the offices / toilets / mess rooms, etc. In that case I'm going to ask a really dumb question - why have new sleepers been laid if they're going to be permanently built over? They don't look like new sleepers. The new uprights to support the platform extension are fixed to them. The extra platform width between the two remaining "Crossrail" tracks is to be welcomed. |
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Post by Tom on Apr 5, 2021 20:31:59 GMT
They don't look like new sleepers. They've got baseplates on them and the adjacent track has the same, with rails mounted to them. |
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 5, 2021 21:34:16 GMT
The extra platform width between the two remaining "Crossrail" tracks is to be welcomed. In any event, having two platforms serving the same track would just confuse people. |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 5, 2021 22:58:33 GMT
The extra platform width between the two remaining "Crossrail" tracks is to be welcomed. In any event, having two platforms serving the same track would just confuse people. This works well at Tower Gateway, Canary Wharf and Stratford westbound Central line. |
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Post by Chris L on Apr 6, 2021 8:05:31 GMT
In any event, having two platforms serving the same track would just confuse people. This works well at Tower Gateway, Canary Wharf and Stratford westbound Central line. The difference at Liverpool Street is that the next train will depart from the opposite platform so passengers aren't alighting and boarding at the same time. |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 9, 2021 22:57:06 GMT
re: Ilford station... 1) Rebuilding Cranbrook Road main station entrance is delayed by the virus situation, estimated completion now 'end 2021' 2) Several months of potentially noisy night time works ahead Information source: a pdf file published by Network Rail - link here and in tweet below: |
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Post by Deep Level on Apr 12, 2021 7:53:23 GMT
So it appears the work was not completed on time, I don't know any details I just know from my journey to work this morning. Trains are running as they were last week (reduced service and cut back to Stratford) and announcements are stating "engineering works not being finished on time". A line block of platforms 15-18 is also showing on open train times.
Oddly my train was still showing that it was indeed going to Liverpool Street which I'm sure confused many.
Edit: At Stratford the driver announced it as a signalling issue at Liverpool Street. I guess both could be true.
Also when will 9 car trains begin to be introduced? I expected to come back from my A/L last week to see the barriers at Ilford covering the platform extension to no longer be there.
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 12, 2021 13:41:12 GMT
So it appears the work was not completed on time, I don't know any details I just know from my journey to work this morning. Trains are running as they were last week (reduced service and cut back to Stratford) and announcements are stating "engineering works not being finished on time". A line block of platforms 15-18 is also showing on open train times. Oddly my train was still showing that it was indeed going to Liverpool Street which I'm sure confused many. Edit: At Stratford the driver announced it as a signalling issue at Liverpool Street. I guess both could be true. Also when will 9 car trains begin to be introduced? I expected to come back from my A/L last week to see the barriers at Ilford covering the platform extension to no longer be there. It was never intended that this extended closure would see all the works completed. The extended platforms at Liverpool Street along with the rest on TFL Rail East are planned to be brought into comission between 10-31 May after which 9-car services can then operate. I can only assume delays in transitioning from a construction site back to the operational railway were behind this mornings late start on top of the signalling issues which were affecting all lines into Liverpool Street between 8 and 11 AM. |
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Post by Chris L on Apr 12, 2021 16:18:59 GMT
So it appears the work was not completed on time, I don't know any details I just know from my journey to work this morning. Trains are running as they were last week (reduced service and cut back to Stratford) and announcements are stating "engineering works not being finished on time". A line block of platforms 15-18 is also showing on open train times. Oddly my train was still showing that it was indeed going to Liverpool Street which I'm sure confused many. Edit: At Stratford the driver announced it as a signalling issue at Liverpool Street. I guess both could be true. Also when will 9 car trains begin to be introduced? I expected to come back from my A/L last week to see the barriers at Ilford covering the platform extension to no longer be there. It was never intended that this extended closure would see all the works completed. The extended platforms at Liverpool Street along with the rest on TFL Rail East are planned to be brought into comission between 10-31 May after which 9-car services can then operate. I can only assume delays in transitioning back from a construction site to the operational railway were behind this mornings late start on top of the signalling issues which were affecting all lines into Liverpool Street between 8 and 11 AM. As well as the above, all the extra coaches to extend the trains from 7 to 9 carriages are at Old Oak Common. There will have to be some rotation between east and west. |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 13, 2021 20:08:16 GMT
Aha, I wish I'd read this thread yesterday ... I was out today and also expected to see 9 coach Class 345 trains at Stratford. I was planning to complete the train part of my journey home via Ilford station so that I could film the longer trains at the same lineside location I filmed the 7 coach trains a few weeks ago. In the event I returned home via Gants Hill and got my first haircut in many months!
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Post by Deep Level on May 4, 2021 19:54:23 GMT
So following the weekend closure the platform extensions at Ilford are now open for business (although won't be used until 9 car trains start). I noticed a last week that a temporary white barrier has gone up in a part of the platform which isn't covered by a railing so was expecting this immanently (rumour has it this has been left for the installation of a ramp to the York Road exit but this is not confirmed plus they've recently put up a shed here).  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 5, 2021 15:38:57 GMT
Tottenham Court Road Elizabeth line station transferred over to London Underground
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Post by sunnyday on May 7, 2021 9:27:25 GMT
So following the weekend closure the platform extensions at Ilford are now open for business (although won't be used until 9 car trains start). I noticed a last week that a temporary white barrier has gone up in a part of the platform which isn't covered by a railing so was expecting this immanently (rumour has it this has been left for the installation of a ramp to the York Road exit but this is not confirmed plus they've recently put up a shed here). Goodmayes platform extensions also opened. More to follow this weekend I believe. |
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Post by itfcfan on May 11, 2021 7:53:13 GMT
Sharing updates from another forum...
Trial running started yesterday (10th May).
The plan for now it to run trains at 4tph, then increase to 8tph from June 5th, 12tph from June 17th, etc.
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Post by ducatisti on May 12, 2021 8:15:04 GMT
Sorry, is that test running through the middle, or just the extremities?
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Post by goldenarrow on May 12, 2021 8:38:47 GMT
Sorry, is that test running through the middle, or just the extremities? It’s the core between Westbourne Park Sidings and Abbey Wood. |
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Post by Chris L on May 12, 2021 10:36:29 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 13, 2021 16:47:24 GMT
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Post by Chris L on May 14, 2021 6:41:49 GMT
As noted on the Class 345 introduction thread nine car trains will be progressively introduced from next week. With only 2 platforms at Liverpool Street all station trains will keep things simple. |
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Post by spsmiler on May 14, 2021 10:27:57 GMT
Sorry, is that test running through the middle, or just the extremities? It’s the core between Westbourne Park Sidings and Abbey Wood. Alas, these non-passenger journeys are not showing on Real Time Trains |
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Post by spsmiler on May 14, 2021 10:39:03 GMT
Alas, even the Gidea Park trains are 'all stations', its just that they miss out stations east of Gidea Park! No trains terminate at Chadwell Heath to use the new reversing siding Especially in the AM peaks some trains should enter service from Ilford depot so as to give passengers between Ilford and Maryland a fairer chance to board a train. Doing this will replicate another of the benefits (in days past) of the tragically removed bay platform at Ilford. |
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Post by elsombernie on May 14, 2021 12:50:37 GMT
It’s the core between Westbourne Park Sidings and Abbey Wood. Alas, these non-passenger journeys are not showing on Real Time Trains Strange, I can see them. However, nothing showing for today apart from 5U91. Maybe you need to change a setting?. |
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Post by sunnyday on May 14, 2021 14:22:21 GMT
It’s the core between Westbourne Park Sidings and Abbey Wood. Alas, these non-passenger journeys are not showing on Real Time Trains There is no testing today. Will resume tomorrow. |
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Post by sunnyday on May 14, 2021 14:36:13 GMT
Alas, even the Gidea Park trains are 'all stations', its just that they miss out stations east of Gidea Park! No trains terminate at Chadwell Heath to use the new reversing siding Especially in the AM peaks some trains should enter service from Ilford depot so as to give passengers between Ilford and Maryland a fairer chance to board a train. Doing this will replicate another of the benefits (in days past) of the tragically removed bay platform at Ilford. I don't think they want to terminate services at Chadwell Heath in case it causes delays. They will only have 4-5 minutes during the peaks to empty out from May when the even interval peak service commences. The full length units cannot enter or leave Ilford depot via the London end, so all services will leave from the country end towards Shenfield Station or Chadwell Heath / Gidea Park reversing sidings, to then travel towards Liverpool Street or the COS. From Monday, a few services will be berthed at Liverpool Street overnight on a regular basis as well. Of course, there is nothing to stop them starting at Chadwell Heath, however, the plan is to run a uniform service. With the reduction in passenger numbers and the 9 cars giving increased capacity, I don't think there are concerns re the inner stations - especially as all trains will call at all stations. |
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Post by spsmiler on May 15, 2021 18:29:15 GMT
Alas, these non-passenger journeys are not showing on Real Time Trains Strange, I can see them. However, nothing showing for today apart from 5U91. Maybe you need to change a setting?. In view of there not having been any testing on the day I was searching on I now realise that this is the reason why I did not see anything! What it also suggests is that whilst the information (press release?) about testing having commenced may be accurate the devil was in the detail - it did not say that testing was underway every day! I arrived a little before 3pm and stayed for about 45 minutes, during which time I saw just two trains - one running 'wrong line' and one stationary at the station. The latter however was actually quite useful, especially when a DLR train arrived on the scene, see tweet below! btw, I have no idea what happened to the railroad hashtag. |
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Post by vincenture on May 15, 2021 22:14:12 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on May 16, 2021 9:56:16 GMT
It seems that the new timetable also marks the start of the fully Class 345 service - the last few Class 315 trains have now been withdrawn and are being replaced with the first 9-car Class 345 trains to operate in the east of London - sort of a 'back to the future' as the LNER Class 306 trains which served the Great Eastern Main Line also comprised 9 cars, albeit as three 3-car sets in multiple. As I said in an earlier message I went to film trial running of Class 345 trains at Custom House station. Alas, I drew a 'short straw' and found myself there on a day when different tests were being conducted. Nevertheless, as I had my camcorder with me I made good use of it (see below).... also included in this film is some April 2018 footage showing part of the Crossrail line whilst still under construction in the Abbey Wood area of south-east London. Enjoy! |
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Post by goldenarrow on May 16, 2021 10:59:24 GMT
A small pool of 315's will continue to provide cover on an ad-hod basis on TFL Rail East whilst lengthening of the 7-car class 345 fleet is undertaken. Factors including core testing ring fencing a portion of the 9-car fleet and lengthening taking place solely at Old Oak Common means that this process will be elongated over several months. TFL Rail East isn't projected to become exclusively 9-car 345 till September 2021.
Five 315 diagrams have already been confirmed this week running most of the day on weekdays.
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