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Post by Chris M on Sept 29, 2020 15:02:42 GMT
Does it help to get some sort of medal if you suggest that you want to name something after the person who gives out the medals? AIUI the renaming was essentially a unilateral decision by the present prime minister when he was mayor. It is likely that he believed such naming would increase the likelihood of his getting some sort of honour (whether that is true or otherwise). |
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Post by tjw on Sept 29, 2020 15:38:48 GMT
Why name it after somebody who (1) won't use it, and (2) hasn't had to help pay for it? The Queen does pay Tax... so will have helped pay for it. Also countless Londoners have helped pay for it and will not use it... |
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 29, 2020 18:36:14 GMT
We did name the Victoria Line after someone who couldn't use it either.
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Post by toby on Sept 29, 2020 18:47:52 GMT
l'd prefer it to be called "Crossrail" l wonder how much money has been spent (= wasted) on re-branding? There's not much that will need physical rebranding. They announced fairly early on the Crossrail project is to deliver the Elizabeth line. I've only heard of one customer-facing sign saying Crossrail (vinyl covered but they're readable through those temporary stickers). |
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Post by MoreToJack on Sept 29, 2020 19:59:24 GMT
All the Crossrail signage at TCR says Crossrail.
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 29, 2020 20:06:36 GMT
l'd prefer it to be called "Crossrail" l wonder how much money has been spent (= wasted) on re-branding? There's not much that will need physical rebranding. They announced fairly early on the Crossrail project is to deliver the Elizabeth line. I've only heard of one customer-facing sign saying Crossrail (vinyl covered but they're readable through those temporary stickers). In some Network Rail places, it's stickers over stickers now. |
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Post by class411 on Sept 30, 2020 7:54:46 GMT
We did name the Victoria Line after someone who couldn't use it either. Or did we? I thought that at first, but then wondered if it was named for one of the main termini that it connected, which was itself named for the area in which it stood. Of course, that area was named for QV. Was it ever announced specifically what/who the Victoria line was named for? I dislike 'Elizabeth' for the name for a line. Just my opinion, of course, but if they wish to name it for HM the Q, it would sound better as the 'Queen Elisabeth' line. |
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Post by revupminster on Sept 30, 2020 8:36:08 GMT
S or Z ? As supreme Governor and head of the Church of England, the Queen uses Z coming from the Hebrew mother of John the Baptist.
Oh and REV in my name is my initials. Simon Templar was ST but he was no saint.
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Post by londoner on Sept 30, 2020 8:38:23 GMT
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Post by revupminster on Sept 30, 2020 8:59:56 GMT
Route C was given the name the Victoria Line by Sir John Elliot in a paper on 5 December 1955 to the Metroploitan Section of the Institute of Transport with the caveat unless someone came up with a better name.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 30, 2020 9:31:04 GMT
We did name the Victoria Line after someone who couldn't use it either. it was named for one of the main termini that it connected, which was itself named for the area in which it stood. Of course, that area was named for QV. Specifically, Victoria Street (opened 1851) which lent its name to the station opened nine years later. |
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Post by class411 on Sept 30, 2020 9:31:42 GMT
Oh and REV in my name is my initials. Simon Templar was ST but he was no saint. Another cherished illusion shattered. I'd always read your name as : "The Reverend Upminster". Even though I knew it was unlikely. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 30, 2020 9:35:11 GMT
Oh and REV in my name is my initials.. A work colleague of mine whose initials were R.E.V.(Surname) was a churchwarden, but his initials meant he was frequently mistaken for the incumbent in correspondence. |
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Post by revupminster on Sept 30, 2020 9:48:06 GMT
I use it on wikipedia (12 years), skyscrapercity (9 years), flikr (9 years) Great Western Coffeshop and others. On wikipedia I am often mistaken for a pastor.
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 30, 2020 11:14:38 GMT
it was named for one of the main termini that it connected, which was itself named for the area in which it stood. Of course, that area was named for QV. Specifically, Victoria Street (opened 1851) which lent its name to the station opened nine years later. My point still remains. A station can't fit in the 2009 stock. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 30, 2020 18:01:31 GMT
I use it on wikipedia (12 years), skyscrapercity (9 years), flikr (9 years) Great Western Coffeshop and others. On wikipedia I am often mistaken for a pastor.  |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 30, 2020 19:26:10 GMT
Route C was given the name the Victoria Line by Sir John Elliot in a paper on 5 December 1955 to the Metroploitan Section of the Institute of Transport with the caveat unless someone came up with a better name. Well we got Bakerloo ( Baker Street - Water loo) for one tube line, so I suppose Brixtow ( Brixton-Walthams tow) would have been similarly appropriate for what is now known as the Victoria line (or, by some people, Viccy or Viccy-Oria). Regarding Crossrail line 1, the mind boggles with options had the same thinking been used... Crossrow ( Crossrail - Heath row) could perhaps also aptly describe how people feel about the delays during its construction (also on my mind here - 'cross' as in angry and 'row' as in a shouted argument between several people), or Ilwell ( Ilford - Han well) for how people feel because of the protracted construction phase and then how they will (hopefully) feel once it has actually opened! Talking of opening, since there is so much technology involved and there is a need to be sure that they actually work when used together (and do not throw up any unforeseen wobblies / temper tantrums) so there needs to be a lengthy period of trial running - see tweet below... |
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Post by Chris W on Sept 30, 2020 19:38:18 GMT
Regarding Crossrail line 1, the mind boggles with options had the same thinking been used... Crossrow ( Crossrail - Heath row) could perhaps also aptly describe how people feel about the delays during its construction (also on my mind here - 'cross' as in angry and 'row' as in a shouted argument between several people), or Ilwell ( Ilford - Han well) for how people feel because of the protracted construction phase and then how they will (hopefully) feel once it has actually opened! Shen-Abbey Rowing Line... Go on, admit that it almost.... almost... works... Or do I get my hat/coat etc....    |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 30, 2020 21:28:36 GMT
Let’s get this back on topic please - there’s been quite a bit of general chat which is clogging up the thread. And one or two overly political posts.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 1, 2020 14:03:47 GMT
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Post by class411 on Oct 1, 2020 15:23:02 GMT
That - the last line in particular - makes it sound as if XRail is almost ready to go into service. Disingenuous at best. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 1, 2020 15:56:45 GMT
That - the last line in particular - makes it sound as if XRail is almost ready to go into service. Disingenuous at best. The first line should have been: "Once upon a time.........."  |
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Post by revupminster on Oct 1, 2020 16:31:35 GMT
That last line to me means TFL now pays for ongoing costs.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 1, 2020 17:45:04 GMT
Up until know, Crossrail has been an arms length construction consortium with input from a plethora of contractors and larger infrastructure bodies overseen by a multi-disciplinary board which reported back more to political bodies than anything else which you could argue was part of the problem but that's for another thread.
This move takes the project under the umbrella of TfL taking it closer to the subsidiary operating division of Rail for London which it will ultimately become. It will also hopefully mark a change in how the project is scrutinized because whilst Crossrail Ltd has rightly come under fire for project timelines slipping out of control, there are significant stakeholders in this project that haven't exactly covered themselves in glory which have escaped scrutiny so far.
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Post by silenthunter on Oct 1, 2020 18:40:42 GMT
Ask a stupid question, but is it possible to run freight through the tunnels?
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 1, 2020 18:49:39 GMT
Ask a stupid question, but is it possible to run freight through the tunnels? Unlikely, since Platform Screen Doors would significantly infringe on clearances which I believe is an issue shared with the Thameslink core too. |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 1, 2020 20:33:35 GMT
This move takes the project under the umbrella of TfL taking it closer to the subsidiary operating division of Rail for London which it will ultimately become. ..... When full opening in 2019 was expected, it was then planned to transfer E-line to LU since most central area stations will be so integrated with current stations. Has there been a change of heart? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 1, 2020 21:51:25 GMT
This move takes the project under the umbrella of TfL taking it closer to the subsidiary operating division of Rail for London which it will ultimately become. ..... When full opening in 2019 was expected, it was then planned to transfer E-line to LU since most central area stations will be so integrated with current stations. Has there been a change of heart? Memory is a bit patchy over this but I recall seening recent documents listing TfL Rail and the Elizabeth line as subsidiaries of Rail for London in line with every other non-Underground mode drawn on the Tube map. I believe the core stations were originally proposed to be operationally integrated with LUL as you stated but wider infrastructure management and awarding of operating concessions was always going to fall into RfL jurisdiction. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Oct 2, 2020 10:37:08 GMT
Wow - New CrossRail boss nails his colours... (in an article in the Standard)
"Asked whether he could stick to the latest deadline, Mr Byford vowed: “No further slippage. No further call on funding.”
Asked whether it would definitely open in the first half of 2022, Mr Byford said: “I’m as confident as I can be.”
I really hope Mr Byford is indeed successful, and does not end up regretting these commitments.
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Post by class411 on Oct 2, 2020 13:15:51 GMT
Wow - New CrossRail boss nails his colours... (in an article in the Standard) "Asked whether he could stick to the latest deadline, Mr Byford vowed: “No further slippage. No further call on funding.” Asked whether it would definitely open in the first half of 2022, Mr Byford said: “ I’m as confident as I can be.” I really hope Mr Byford is indeed successful, and does not end up regretting these commitments. As confident as he can be - i.e. not very. |
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