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Post by domh245 on Aug 23, 2018 15:39:42 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Aug 30, 2018 20:05:16 GMT
In something that is both on topic, and relevant to the last few posts, an interesting development occurs...
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 30, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
In something that is both on topic, and relevant to the last few posts, an interesting development occurs... Oh gosh, they’ve done the sides as-well. I was about to say it’s become a Jaffa Cake. But of course there’s only one Jaffa Cake and it worked the 1066 DC. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 30, 2018 21:19:43 GMT
But of course there’s only one Jaffa Cake and it worked the 1066 DC. They went to Clacton too! |
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 30, 2018 22:17:10 GMT
But of course there’s only one Jaffa Cake and it worked the 1066 DC. They went to Clacton too! They also by circumstance started popping up around Manchester and Birmingham as well as the Sussex routes but I couldn’t make it sound quite as snappy hence Hastings! |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 30, 2018 22:55:54 GMT
Oooo.
I like the black sides.
Front looks a bit clumsy somehow.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 30, 2018 23:11:19 GMT
Oooo. I like the black sides. Front looks a bit clumsy somehow. I think it's because the black is a different height on the front and the sides and the orange stripe doesn't respect any other angle. |
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Post by stapler on Aug 31, 2018 7:07:20 GMT
Oooo. I like the black sides. Front looks a bit clumsy somehow. I think it's because the black is a different height on the front and the sides and the orange stripe doesn't respect any other angle. Quite agree. Also, the orange stripe on the front makes the unit look narrower. Just omit it! |
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Post by A60stock on Aug 31, 2018 8:06:28 GMT
front looks terrible in my opinion. Why is the yellow front retained? the first pciture suggested this was orange, which looks much better.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 31, 2018 8:14:48 GMT
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Post by simran1966 on Aug 31, 2018 8:24:04 GMT
Yes, it does look rather clumsy. The orange up the sides makes sense on the 710 because it follows its contours. It seems a bit silly to try and paste the same thing onto a completely different shape. It also looks like the orange on the front was supposed to continue smoothly into those stripes but the yellow has broken that. For that reason, it may have looked slightly better without the yellow.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 31, 2018 8:52:05 GMT
That little bit of yellow between the light cluster and orange band just looks awkward.
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Post by Chris W on Aug 31, 2018 10:56:01 GMT
This unit was located on the opposite side of the new(ish) Bombardier shed as I traveled past Ilford Depot yesterday early evening...
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Post by Ben on Aug 31, 2018 20:04:34 GMT
The black may be striking, but the whole composition is a mess. Thats not a livery that one person has sat down and drawn from scratch, its a livery that looks like its evolved a few times via committee. What made the original 'Corporate' livery stand out so much at its inception was the bold combination of colours, the large expanse of white, and the simplicity of design. This is a really compromised effort. Some by necessity, some by branding preference, some unnecessary.
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Post by Ben on Aug 31, 2018 20:28:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 2:34:35 GMT
Personally I can't see why the overground chose to add additional cars to each set fairly recently if the majority of the units are/will be superseded by the new 710 units..or am I missing something ?,.....
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 1, 2018 4:18:45 GMT
Personally I can't see why the overground chose to add additional cars to each set fairly recently if the majority of the units are/will be superseded by the new 710 units..or am I missing something ?,..... No cl.378s are being replaced. 710s are going onto the Watford service to allow 378s to increase services on the Richmond/Clapham-Stratford and East London services |
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Post by jukes on Sept 1, 2018 16:22:17 GMT
Personally I can't see why the overground chose to add additional cars to each set fairly recently if the majority of the units are/will be superseded by the new 710 units..or am I missing something ?,..... No cl.378s are being replaced. 710s are going onto the Watford service to allow 378s to increase services on the Richmond/Clapham-Stratford and East London services The 378s from the DC are going eventually to the ELL but in interim some may be used on NLL. Next year six new 5-car 710/3s arrive for the NLL/WLL and there will then be a 378 shuffle to reinforce the ELL. Only 378s can run in passenger service on ELL as they require end exit doors for the Thames Tunnel. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 21, 2018 21:19:15 GMT
The yellow has remained: Click/tap here if embedded tweet fails to display. |
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Post by d78forlife on Sept 22, 2018 10:01:52 GMT
The yellow has remained: Click/tap here if embedded tweet fails to display. I like that a lot. |
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Post by A60stock on Oct 4, 2018 13:28:47 GMT
Here's an idea, why not match the 710 livery with the existing 378 livery? Save a whole load of costs which probably aren't needed for only 9 year old trains! Why has the yellow front also made a comeback?
Those costs of relivering could perhaps be used on the bakerloo line fleet? the paint work on the 72s is starting to look really bad, why use the money to refurbish or at least reliver the bakerloo fleet which are 46 years old now!
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Post by Chris M on Oct 4, 2018 13:59:53 GMT
Is the money coming from TFL or from Ariva Rail London?
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Post by jukes on Oct 4, 2018 15:34:21 GMT
Is the money coming from TFL or from Ariva Rail London? TfL as they hold the lease for the rolling stock. But there may well be a clause in the lease agreement to cover this at the 10-year point which this is more or less. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 4, 2018 16:25:14 GMT
Why has the yellow front also made a comeback? A 1m² area of a specific shade of yellow is mandatory unless a satisfactory risk assessment has been carried out for the routes involved. There is one obvious answer to your question: nobody has done the necessary risk assessment. It's also possible that someone in authority simply thought it looked better and thus there was no point spending time/money doing the risk assessment. |
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Post by phil on Oct 4, 2018 16:48:44 GMT
Why has the yellow front also made a comeback? A 1m² area of a specific shade of yellow is mandatory unless a satisfactory risk assessment has been carried out for the routes involved. There is one obvious answer to your question: nobody has done the necessary risk assessment. It's also possible that someone in authority simply thought it looked better and thus there was no point spending time/money doing the risk assessment.
There are also some VERY stringent requirements as to headlight / marker light intensity and alignment which must be met for yellow ends to be dispensed with. While the latest builds of rolling stock comply with this standard its quite likely that the Electrostar builds do not.
Folk should note that both Northern and Grater Anglia have decided to retain yellow despite their trains not technically needing it - it is thought this is related to the large number of footpath crossings in the operators area where just headlights is not considered good enough for users to be able to make an accurate assessment of whether it is safe to cross
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Post by domh245 on Oct 4, 2018 16:51:28 GMT
Folk should note that both Northern and Grater Anglia have decided to retain yellow despite their trains not technically needing it - it is thought this is related to the large number of footpath crossings in the operators area where just headlights is not considered good enough for users to be able to make an accurate assessment of whether it is safe to cross
I think that with Northern (and to some extent GWR as well) they've kept the yellow for brand consistency, as they both retain sizeable legacy fleets. Greater Anglia wanted to drop the yellow fronts and early renders of the new trains didn't have them but they've been forced to keep them because of the foot crossings, as you note. |
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Post by dazz285 on Oct 4, 2018 18:39:27 GMT
Why has the yellow front also made a comeback? A 1m² area of a specific shade of yellow is mandatory unless a satisfactory risk assessment has been carried out for the routes involved. There is one obvious answer to your question: nobody has done the necessary risk assessment. It's also possible that someone in authority simply thought it looked better and thus there was no point spending time/money doing the risk assessment. The headlights did not meet the requirements so it's cheaper to leave the front yellow than replace all the headlights.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 20:31:21 GMT
Also the amount of Level crossing and user work crossing on the Northern and Greater Anglia routes was another reason to keep the yellow fronts
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 11, 2018 21:00:55 GMT
I saw 378 135 today. I was on my way to West Croydon and spotted a train which had its car numbers in the blue area below the LT roundel. Thats how I identified this train from a side view.
I got a few hurried photos but some are blurred... perhaps because the camera focussed on the glass rather than the train seen through the glass.
When my pics are on Flicker I will add them here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 7:08:44 GMT
I saw 378 135 today. I was on my way to West Croydon and spotted a train which had its car numbers in the blue area below the LT roundel. Thats how I identified this train from a side view. I got a few hurried photos but some are blurred... perhaps because the camera focussed on the glass rather than the train seen through the glass. When my pics are on Flicker I will add them here. Simon This unit had the numbers on the side before it was repainted. The 378 also has a number on the roof as well like on the London Buses. |
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