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Post by ijmad on May 26, 2020 21:48:02 GMT
The North London Line / West London Line will be getting six 5 car 710s for service uplift, and so some 378s can be cascaded to the ELL for service uplift there too. It seems likely they will cover the Richmond-Stratford service given they are fitting TPWS on the Richmond branch. I haven't figured out whether the 710s will cover all the Richmond-Stratford diagrams or just some of them (though visually distinct trains would certainly make it nice and easy for the passengers!). Surely not *all* services? There has to be more than just 6 trains on that service. However, it might be that they will be dedicated to that service, that is until service disruption sees a 710 end up going to Clapham Jcn via Olympia! You're right of course, I suppose given a diagram seems to be just over 2 hours, maintaining a 4tph service would need at least 8-10 trains rather than 6. I suppose the idea must be that all Overground trains will use the TPWS overlay/underlay to CBTC on the Richmond branch once that's all complete. The tripcocks on the 378s will become redundant as the trainstops are removed when this happens. Both the 378s and the 710s should be able to go anywhere on the NLL/WLL if that's the case. Anyway, off topic. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 21, 2020 18:45:04 GMT
Running in multiple has now been approved:
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Post by ashlar on Aug 22, 2020 13:14:35 GMT
Running in multiple has now been approved: How is this different to what was already in place? They’ve been running multiples on the West Anglia lines for months. And the platforms are too short on the other LO lines. |
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 22, 2020 13:32:57 GMT
There's running on multiples for test and running in multiples with passengers on board.
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Post by dazz285 on Aug 22, 2020 16:04:42 GMT
Dual Voltage ones have now been cleared for multiple running..
"AUTHORISATION OF UPGRADE OF CLASS 710/2 DUAL VOLTAGE ELECTRIC
MULTIPLE UNITS 710256-710279 FOR OPERATION OF TWO FOUR-CAR UNITS
IN MULTIPLE "
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Post by ashlar on Aug 23, 2020 18:30:00 GMT
There's running on multiples for test and running in multiples with passengers on board. The 710s have definitely been running as 8-car with passengers on the West Anglia Line. Indeed I’ve never seen one in 4-car only mode. |
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 23, 2020 20:25:21 GMT
Those are 710/1s, aren't they?
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 23, 2020 21:27:01 GMT
This new authorisation is for 710/2s - the dual voltage ones that will run on the NLL/WLL.
The West Anglia 710/1s have been running in pairs since launch - initially this was for diagramming purposes but is now for social distancing. Once timetables return to normal they will split and join off-peak to run 4-cars again.
I have only seen a single 710/1 running around once since introduction (aside from the couple that initially ran on the GOBLin).
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Post by jukes on Aug 24, 2020 10:23:58 GMT
The six 710/2s for the NLL/WLL are 5-car units and in multiple would be 10-car which is far too long for the platforms on the NLL and probably WLL. It appears that they will be reducing the 5-car units to 4-car and software configured to be able to operate in multiple as 8-car trains. Even as 8-car they would be far too long for the majority of NLL platforms and indeed GOB platforms too. The only lines where they could operate in more or less unrestricted 8-car formations is: West Anglia, DC (with SDO) and WLL.
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Post by linus on Aug 24, 2020 13:19:14 GMT
The six 710/2s for the NLL/WLL are 5-car units and in multiple would be 10-car which is far too long for the platforms on the NLL and probably WLL. It appears that they will be reducing the 5-car units to 4-car and software configured to be able to operate in multiple as 8-car trains. Even as 8-car they would be far too long for the majority of NLL platforms and indeed GOB platforms too. The only lines where they could operate in more or less unrestricted 8-car formations is: West Anglia, DC (with SDO) and WLL. Really? The 5-car units are intended for the NLL/WLL, to release 378s for increased frequency on the ELL (as 710s can't operate on ELL due to no centre cab doors). If 8-car trains are run on the WLL they could only go as far as Willesden Junction, destroying the highly popular through service. Not sure if Clapham Plat 1 and the WJ turn back can take 8 cars? |
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Post by dazz285 on Aug 24, 2020 13:19:22 GMT
As far as I'm aware the only reason the 710/2's will be coupled is to run empties anywhere to save on pathing spaces.
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Post by ijmad on Aug 28, 2020 12:12:58 GMT
Yeah this surely sounds like a move for flexibility/recovery/rescue rather than a normal operational requirement.
Would a 5-car 710/2 be able to couple and run with a four car 710/1?
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Post by jukes on Aug 28, 2020 21:30:55 GMT
If you look carefully at the ORR letter it states that the 5-car 710/2s can only run as 2x4 car in multiple with a car removed per unit.
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Post by ashlar on Sept 27, 2020 13:03:07 GMT
I’m reading social media complaints about door problems with this stock.
We must be close to a full complement of 710s on the West Anglia lines now. It’s been a while since I saw a 315/317 on the line actually.
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Post by nopixar on Sept 27, 2020 13:05:35 GMT
Only a single 315 diagram left from next week. 26/30 units in. Its pretty much done now.
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Post by ashlar on Sept 29, 2020 13:11:23 GMT
Great news!
It can’t be long before the last 315 service but I guess this will need to be kept secret to avoid crowding. Farewell - 315s! You won’t be missed by this commuter.
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Post by ijmad on Oct 2, 2020 17:49:52 GMT
I read on RailForums that Rominster is getting a 710 from October 5th as well.
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 2, 2020 18:04:07 GMT
Where?
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Post by johnlinford on Oct 2, 2020 18:14:18 GMT
IanVisits tweeted about it recently (in the last hour)
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Post by ashlar on Oct 2, 2020 18:24:00 GMT
IanVisits tweeted about it recently (in the last hour) I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier. I think it’s a bit irresponsible of Ian to publicise the final run of a 4-car train. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 2, 2020 18:35:22 GMT
IanVisits tweeted about it recently (in the last hour) IanVisits has tweeted about the Romford to Upminster route... where is Rominster? Obscure/niche portmanteaus fall into the same category as abbreviations - please explain them in full on first use. |
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Post by ijmad on Oct 2, 2020 20:01:16 GMT
IanVisits tweeted about it recently (in the last hour) IanVisits has tweeted about the Romford to Upminster route... where is Rominster? Obscure/niche portmanteaus fall into the same category as abbreviations - please explain them in full on first use.I've read it used a bunch of times to refer to the Romford-Upminster line and assumed it was common parlance like the GOBLIN. Apologies for any confusion there. |
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Post by silenthunter on Oct 2, 2020 20:13:03 GMT
I live in the area and just call it the "push-pull".
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Post by Tom on Oct 2, 2020 21:01:31 GMT
A lot of these portmanteau names have come from the enthusiast community and are pretty much never used by anyone else. The GOBLIN is usually known as the 'Gospel Oak' line (certainly when you're working at Barking) and i've always known the Romford-Upminster line as just that.
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Post by ijmad on Oct 2, 2020 22:10:25 GMT
Yeah I did a Google search and all the references are on RailForums, SkyScraperCity or from various rail bloggers, obviously that's where I picked it up! Ah well no harm done I hope  |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 6, 2020 17:58:18 GMT
re: the use of 710s on the Romford - Upminster service, it means the ending of declassified 1st class luxury and the end of a period of constantly changing train liveries. In recent years I've seen 317s in various Greater Anglia plus London Overground liveries and 321s in London Midland, Silverlink and London Overground liveries.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 11, 2020 11:35:21 GMT
Did the 710’s take over as planned?
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 11, 2020 11:37:19 GMT
Did the 710’s take over as planned? They did indeed, 710 107 out on the first day. |
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Post by nopixar on Oct 20, 2020 14:27:52 GMT
West Anglia now a full 710 service.
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Post by ashlar on Oct 20, 2020 15:30:53 GMT
West Anglia now a full 710 service. Great news. We got there! 🎉 🎉 Thanks for the updates nopixar. |
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