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Post by spsmiler on Dec 4, 2019 21:27:51 GMT
...for now. Many of us are bracing ourselves for carnage, to be honest. The class 317s aren't PRM-TSI compliant (meaning they can't be used after the end of the year without a derogation, which doesn't seem to have been granted?) and the class 315s are rapidly running out of miles to overhaul - there's a small buffer of displaced TfL Rail units but those are also limited by the rollout of the class 345s on Crossrail. It's all a bit of a mess, which could have been avoided (like most railway problems there's been a distinct lack of forward planning). I wonder if there are any 314's with more miles (before overhaul) available? If my understanding is correct the last of these will be withdrawn this month, and whilst they are only 3 car trains they are essentially the same trains and anyway, a 7 car train would still be better than a 4 car train! It would also create much mirth and merriment in the provinces to see London taking cast-off trains from Glasgow. The reality is however (and this is why it should happen, if at all possible) that 'needs must' and the passengers on these London Overground routes would be happy to see them here, if they get LO out of a pickle - as alternatives to shorter or even zero trains. Also, as far as most passengers are concerned, the 317's should stay until alternative trains are available - yes the accessability (sic) regulations change soon, but it would be most iniquitous to let that be a reason to withdraw trains because other brand new trains are not yet ready to carry passengers. The harm it would do to people's lives would be far greater than any benefit from following rules to the letter. Let the pen pushing bureaucrats be the ones whose box-ticking aspirations are ignored - not the passengers who through their taxes pay the wages of the pen pushers! |
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Post by regp41 on Dec 4, 2019 23:56:08 GMT
My local paper reports. “Extra early morning services added to Barking to Gospel Oak route.
The trains, leaving Barking at 5.39am and 5.54am, have been added to the timetable in a bid to create additional capacity on the route.”
I suppose they have some spare units until the Barking Riverside extension is operational but there probably not suitable equipped for all other routes.
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Post by cudsn15 on Dec 5, 2019 20:12:45 GMT
Bring back the PixC!
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 16, 2019 19:41:23 GMT
A Twitter update from Richard Clinnick:
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Post by silenthunter on Dec 16, 2019 22:25:31 GMT
What's the difference between the 710/1s and 710/2s?
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Post by nopixar on Dec 16, 2019 22:26:49 GMT
What's the difference between the 710/1s and 710/2s? AC only vs Dual voltage |
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Post by andypurk on Dec 24, 2019 19:56:13 GMT
Having finally caught up with 710 105 at Gospel Oak today, have any of the other 710/1 units been in use on Gospel Oak - Barking? I have seen other units parked at Willesden depot.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 24, 2019 20:32:13 GMT
Having finally caught up with 710 105 at Gospel Oak today, have any of the other 710/1 units been in use on Gospel Oak - Barking? I have seen other units parked at Willesden depot. 103 |
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Post by andypurk on Dec 27, 2019 2:15:23 GMT
Having finally caught up with 710 105 at Gospel Oak today, have any of the other 710/1 units been in use on Gospel Oak - Barking? I have seen other units parked at Willesden depot. 103 Thanks. |
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Post by nopixar on Jan 7, 2020 13:43:38 GMT
Another 710 should be joining the other unit at Chingford next week with driver training shortly after.
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Post by ashlar on Jan 8, 2020 21:10:48 GMT
Another 710 should be joining the other unit at Chingford next week with driver training shortly after. Halleluja! What is the usual timescale between start of driver training and entering service? |
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Post by nopixar on Jan 8, 2020 21:28:57 GMT
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Post by ashlar on Jan 9, 2020 22:39:36 GMT
Thank you nopixar! That is extremely informative.
I will have to scan through RTT and see when I can get some good pics at Highams Park level crossing!
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Post by silenthunter on Jan 13, 2020 20:48:01 GMT
Saw 710 121 and 710 129 coupled together today heading through the Bethnal Green area. Had a destination of 'Barking' on the front for some reason, but the train had no passengers and judging by the time, it was probably ECS working 5V60: www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L45322/2020-01-13/detailed |
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Post by nopixar on Jan 13, 2020 20:57:40 GMT
Saw 710 121 and 710 129 coupled together today heading through the Bethnal Green area. Had a destination of 'Barking' on the front for some reason, but the train had no passengers and judging by the time, it was probably ECS working 5V60: www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L45322/2020-01-13/detailedI think you mean 119/121... They are the units being used for the training at the moment. Currently stabled at Enfield. As above they will run a series of trips between Enfield and London fields/Liverpool Street during the day and then stable at Enfield overnight. Another 710 will be delivered to Chingford this week for the static training. All went well. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 14, 2020 5:48:33 GMT
Had a destination of 'Barking' on the front for some reason, but the train had no passengers and judging by the time, it was probably ECS working 5V60: Conversely 710.105 working the GOBLIN in passenger service had Enfield Town or Cheshunt displayed each time I saw it . |
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Post by nopixar on Jan 18, 2020 2:07:29 GMT
Full start of WA training next week to run a single or pair of 710s Tue to Thurs from 0940-2328 between pax services, between Enfield and London Fields. The unit/units then stable at Chingford Thurs night-Tues morning and are used for static training on Mondays. This will be the basis of the programme for its entirety.
Units can only run as 8 or 4. No splitting/coupling.
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Post by ashlar on Jan 18, 2020 13:43:20 GMT
Full start of WA training next week Great news! So no training on the Chingford branch? I’ll need to wait a while longer for the Higham Park photo op. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jan 18, 2020 13:44:53 GMT
I'd like to know when they're going to turn up on Romford to Upminster.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 18, 2020 13:58:51 GMT
Full start of WA training next week Great news! So no training on the Chingford branch? I’ll need to wait a while longer for the Higham Park photo op. You just need to get it going to/from stabling. Daylight might be an issue though. |
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Post by ashlar on Jan 19, 2020 10:57:39 GMT
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Post by lukeo on Jan 19, 2020 17:43:20 GMT
I was onboard 710261 yesterday afternoon. I tried to leave the train at Willesden Junction, and for some reason the set of doors I was at failed to open. With the doors being quite spaced out on the 710s, myself and a good few other people had to run to another set of doors after realising no amount of button presses were going to open them!
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 19, 2020 19:31:44 GMT
I was onboard 710261 yesterday afternoon. I tried to leave the train at Willesden Junction, and for some reason the set of doors I was at failed to open. With the doors being quite spaced out on the 710s, myself and a good few other people had to run to another set of doors after realising no amount of button presses were going to open them! This happens on the CL345s regularly! One time this happened the platform staffed banged on the door and asked people to step back as if he knew this would solve the issue and it certainly did! Not sure if it's to do with people leaning against the doors, leaning against the open buttons or just being near them but there's certainly an issue. Of course your issue may have been unrelated. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 19, 2020 22:08:23 GMT
Every now and then the doors on the DLR trains (also built by Bombardier) don't open when the button is pressed, but only either inside or outside (i.e. one works, one doesn't). On one occasion I reported this to a member of platform staff at Canary Wharf and they said the depot just needed to clean the contacts - apparently its a known issue with a straightforward fix. Obviously if both inside and outside buttons aren't working its less likely to be this issue.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 19, 2020 22:28:59 GMT
Pressing the offside saloon door buttons on the 345’s will prevent the release of the platform doors or something along those lines. Memory is a bit sketchy on what’s behind this but I think it had something to do with the TCMS being “dumbed down” for seven car operation.
If the 710’s are still operating with similarly muted TCMS capability because ORR specs state that passenger services cannot use coupled units, it could be the same chestnut.
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 20, 2020 11:49:09 GMT
I was onboard 710261 yesterday afternoon. I tried to leave the train at Willesden Junction, and for some reason the set of doors I was at failed to open. With the doors being quite spaced out on the 710s, myself and a good few other people had to run to another set of doors after realising no amount of button presses were going to open them! did you report this to the driver? If we don't know that there's a problem then we can't pass it on to Bombardier via our control. |
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Post by lukeo on Jan 20, 2020 19:43:49 GMT
I was onboard 710261 yesterday afternoon. I tried to leave the train at Willesden Junction, and for some reason the set of doors I was at failed to open. With the doors being quite spaced out on the 710s, myself and a good few other people had to run to another set of doors after realising no amount of button presses were going to open them! did you report this to the driver? If we don't know that there's a problem then we can't pass it on to Bombardier via our control. Well, now you know lol. No, I did not report it to the driver. I did report it to TfL. |
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Post by nopixar on Jan 22, 2020 17:29:32 GMT
As of today all remaining west anglia 710 stop boards have been uncovered. I’m no betting man but I would say something in service is in the pipeline in the not too distant future.
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Post by ashlar on Jan 23, 2020 9:58:05 GMT
As of today all remaining west anglia 710 stop boards have been uncovered. I’m no betting man but I would say something in service is in the pipeline in the not too distant future. Wouldn’t they need this for the training? I’ve now heard February from a number of sources for the first train in service. |
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Post by nopixar on Jan 23, 2020 10:04:03 GMT
As of today all remaining west anglia 710 stop boards have been uncovered. I’m no betting man but I would say something in service is in the pipeline in the not too distant future. Wouldn’t they need this for the training? I’ve now heard February from a number of sources for the first train in service. Not really, About half of the boards are already uncovered and were incorporated and replaced existing 315/317 stop boards. The rest that had different locations were covered but common sense would give you an idea where to stop. The only requirement for training is for you to get a feel of the train. Its ECS. There is no requirement for you to stop any of the platforms although you’d be pretty silly not to try during your time in the seat. So long as you don’t dwindle the path is yours to do as you wish with subject to signals. What you’ve heard about mid February is accurate if everything goes to plan. |
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