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Post by Chris M on Sept 24, 2019 22:27:41 GMT
As they say time will tell - but thus far the folks on Goblin seem mostly happy with their 710s. If traffic continues to grow once Barking Riverside comes on stream then it won't be too long before they need to move to more frequent trains and even introduce 5 car 710s - I just hope TFL have secured an option to obtain extra coaches at affordable prices. The Goblin is a very different line to the West Anglia routes - not many people are travelling more than a few stops and almost nobody rides the line end-to-end. Indeed most people who board at Gospel Oak alight at or before Blackhorse Road and most who board at Barking alight at or before South Tottenham. All longitudinal seating is very much the correct choice for this urban metro route. The West Anglia routes are significantly different with the majority of passengers, certainly in the peaks, travelling to or from Liverpool Street (where evening peak trains can depart full and standing, epsecially if there is disruption on the Victoria or Central lines). It's actually not that dissimilar to the Metropolitan line (with Hackney Downs being the equivalent of Baker Street) so an S8 style layout, with a mix of transverse and longitudinal seating and large vestibule areas would seem to be a better fit. |
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Post by stapler on Sept 26, 2019 7:10:02 GMT
There's never been a 12 coach 315 formation to my knowledge. Certainly not on TfL rail. Also, the 710s will likely operate as pairs of 4-car units at most. The most the Chingford has ever had was 3x3 305/1s, which gave a seating capacity of 848 (of which 746 were originally in compartments where smoking was allowed!). The guard shortage/rolling stock of the late 70s meant that rush hour trains were often of 6 and sometimes of 3 cars. That was really a crush. I agree 2+2 giving a wide central corridor would be the optimum. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 16:54:11 GMT
The West Anglia routes are significantly different with the majority of passengers, certainly in the peaks, travelling to or from Liverpool Street (where evening peak trains can depart full and standing, epsecially if there is disruption on the Victoria or Central lines). It's actually not that dissimilar to the Metropolitan line (with Hackney Downs being the equivalent of Baker Street) so an S8 style layout, with a mix of transverse and longitudinal seating and large vestibule areas would seem to be a better fit. I fully agree. Without reference to hard numbers, I suspect that the good folk of Edmonton Green are unlikely to see much in the way of available seating on any morning peak, south-bound Class 710 train. This is not going to go down well given that station's usage. I will predict *) a reactionary campaign when the reality of longitudinal seating sinks in [1]. and *) an increased level of manifest inter-passenger belligerence within the first few weeks [1]. [1] I promise not to start it. |
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Post by plasmid on Sept 30, 2019 23:44:10 GMT
My observations:
The acceleration is great compared to any other rolling stock I've been on so far, and the motors are quiet. I could hear the whine of the Class 378 500 yards away from my flat previously so this is welcome.
Unfortunately the brakes are still very noisy, and yes I can hear these from my flat 500 yards away! IMO the brakes on the Desiro 700 is a far better design.
Speaking of brakes a driver had an operational incident today - or to be specific drove in to Walthamstow with far too much speed, slammed on the brakes and then couldn't stop due to the slippery rail conditions. Numpty!
Painful point: The trains are full! As per usual TFL haven't increased demand enough to suit the amount of required travellers on this line.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 1, 2019 6:41:05 GMT
My observations: The acceleration is great compared to any other rolling stock I've been on so far, and the motors are quiet. I could hear the whine of the Class 378 500 yards away from my flat previously so this is welcome. Unfortunately the brakes are still very noisy, and yes I can hear these from my flat 500 yards away! IMO the brakes on the Desiro 700 is a far better design. Speaking of brakes a driver had an operational incident today - or to be specific drove in to Walthamstow with far too much speed, slammed on the brakes and then couldn't stop due to the slippery rail conditions. Numpty! Painful point: The trains are full! As per usual TFL haven't increased demand enough to suit the amount of required travellers on this line.Could you clarify this last line? |
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Post by billbedford on Oct 1, 2019 11:45:29 GMT
Unfortunately the brakes are still very noisy, The brakes seem to be noisy when I would expect them to be off, eg when the train is pulling away from a stop. |
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Post by nopixar on Oct 1, 2019 12:05:38 GMT
My observations: The acceleration is great compared to any other rolling stock I've been on so far, and the motors are quiet. I could hear the whine of the Class 378 500 yards away from my flat previously so this is welcome. Unfortunately the brakes are still very noisy, and yes I can hear these from my flat 500 yards away! IMO the brakes on the Desiro 700 is a far better design. Speaking of brakes a driver had an operational incident today - or to be specific drove in to Walthamstow with far too much speed, slammed on the brakes and then couldn't stop due to the slippery rail conditions. Numpty! Painful point: The trains are full! As per usual TFL haven't increased demand enough to suit the amount of required travellers on this line. I’ll be sure to let them know what you think of their skills as a driver  |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 1, 2019 19:43:47 GMT
I am especially looking forward to the 710s on the routes out of Stratford towards Richmond / Clapham Junction.
The reason for this is to compare train performance - will their better performance mean that services operated by 710s will always be catching up services operated by 378s? Or will the 710 drivers mitigate this by longer station stops?
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Post by skimpotflyer on Oct 7, 2019 12:10:15 GMT
If you’re saying the 710s will travel the distance between any pair of stations in less than the timetabled minutes, I’m sure the station dwell times will increase. They won’t ‘catch up’ the 378-operated services; passengers would soon complain if their train repeatedly departed early!
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 7, 2019 22:51:20 GMT
If you’re saying the 710s will travel the distance between any pair of stations in less than the timetabled minutes, I’m sure the station dwell times will increase. They won’t ‘catch up’ the 378-operated services; passengers would soon complain if their train repeatedly departed early! My thoughts are of a scenario similar to that of the C stock trains catching up D stock trains, although for very different reasons. D stock trains were slowed by stop dwell times whereas 710's will catch up 378's because of faster acceleration / braking. |
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Post by nopixar on Oct 8, 2019 8:38:26 GMT
If you’re saying the 710s will travel the distance between any pair of stations in less than the timetabled minutes, I’m sure the station dwell times will increase. They won’t ‘catch up’ the 378-operated services; passengers would soon complain if their train repeatedly departed early! My thoughts are of a scenario similar to that of the C stock trains catching up D stock trains, although for very different reasons. D stock trains were slowed by stop dwell times whereas 710's will catch up 378's because of faster acceleration / braking. Drivers drive exactly the way they drove 172s, and use the same reference points for stopping. You pull away a bit quicker but differences in time gained are negligible. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 8, 2019 8:51:05 GMT
My thoughts are of a scenario similar to that of the C stock trains catching up D stock trains, although for very different reasons. D stock trains were slowed by stop dwell times whereas 710's will catch up 378's because of faster acceleration / braking. In my few years experience operating C and D Stock I never had a problem keeping time on a D Stock, dwell time was certainly faster than CO/CP and R Stock because of their constant size door aperture. They could certainly keep up with a C (Circle drivers 🙄!) |
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Post by ashlar on Oct 29, 2019 7:27:48 GMT
Any news on class 710 introduction on the Lea Valley Lines? I think the last official comment was “late 2019” for this.
The Goblin is done and the Euston line is done so it can’t be that long, surely?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 29, 2019 9:21:57 GMT
Remember the Goblin and DC lines use a complete separate pool of drivers and depot staff to the Lea Valley lines so the introduction on the former does not demonstrate anything about the readiness of the latter to do so.
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Post by jswallow on Oct 29, 2019 22:07:27 GMT
In addition to that, they’re also not cleared to operate in multiple yet, which is required for Liverpool Street services.
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Post by silenthunter on Oct 29, 2019 22:09:00 GMT
Saw 710 257 at Barking this evening. Seems to be a regular on the route now.
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 30, 2019 1:05:53 GMT
...which, of course, is indicative that Lea Valley services are a way off. No 710/1 has run in passenger service yet. It is expected that these will perform shake-down runs on the GoBLin first.
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Post by lukeo on Oct 31, 2019 1:37:13 GMT
Any news on class 710 introduction on the Lea Valley Lines? I think the last official comment was “late 2019” for this. The Goblin is done and the Euston line is done so it can’t be that long, surely? The Euston line isn’t quite done. We still don’t have a 4tph service, and there’s only 3 or 4, out of what will eventually be 8, 710s used in service. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 18:16:37 GMT
Any news on class 710 introduction on the Lea Valley Lines? I think the last official comment was “late 2019” for this. The Goblin is done and the Euston line is done so it can’t be that long, surely? The Euston line isn’t quite done. We still don’t have a 4tph service, and there’s only 3 or 4, out of what will eventually be 8, 710s used in service. Early 2020 |
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Post by A60stock on Nov 1, 2019 20:09:05 GMT
The contrast between the 72 stock and the 710s on the DC line is really quite something! Having used both on the line, it would't surprise me if people wanting any of the stations between harrow and queens park intentionally wait for the latter!
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Post by lukeo on Nov 2, 2019 10:30:00 GMT
The contrast between the 72 stock and the 710s on the DC line is really quite something! Having used both on the line, it would't surprise me if people wanting any of the stations between harrow and queens park intentionally wait for the latter! I definitely would when the weather is really good, for the benefit of aircon. Will be making a trip on the Watford dc line today.. hopefully I can finally ride some 710s. |
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Post by 2pintz on Nov 2, 2019 10:53:20 GMT
Any news on class 710 introduction on the Lea Valley Lines? I think the last official comment was “late 2019” for this. The Goblin is done and the Euston line is done so it can’t be that long, surely? Equally is it still expected that a 710 will run on the Romford to Upminster line? Might this come in before the Lea Valley Line if it doesn't need additional sign offs etc? |
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Post by silenthunter on Nov 2, 2019 14:51:22 GMT
Yes, the line will be getting a 710 - the stop sign for it are already in place at Emerson Park.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 3, 2019 13:14:12 GMT
The contrast between the 72 stock and the 710s on the DC line is really quite something! Having used both on the line, it would't surprise me if people wanting any of the stations between harrow and queens park intentionally wait for the latter! 72 stock still has more comfortable seats though. And they sound like proper trains! If it was very hot though, a 710 would be preferable. |
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Post by Chris L on Nov 4, 2019 17:04:06 GMT
Any news on class 710 introduction on the Lea Valley Lines? I think the last official comment was “late 2019” for this. The Goblin is done and the Euston line is done so it can’t be that long, surely? Richard Clinnick of Rail magazine posted a tweet from London Overground today saying early 2020. |
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Post by lukeo on Nov 5, 2019 18:35:18 GMT
The Watford-Euston line will be fully 4tph from the 17th November! This is not expected to be fully 710 though.
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Post by A60stock on Nov 5, 2019 22:55:46 GMT
I thought it pretty much is 4tph as it stands with the odd gap every couple of hours? I am sure I have seen four departures each hour from Euston during most hours?
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Post by lukeo on Nov 6, 2019 0:54:03 GMT
I thought it pretty much is 4tph as it stands with the odd gap every couple of hours? I am sure I have seen four departures each hour from Euston during most hours? I’d call it 3.5tph currently as it alternates every hour usually (guaranteed 4tph during peaks only). From 17th Nov it will be fully 4tph, meaning no more odd, inconvenient gaps. |
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Post by ashlar on Nov 6, 2019 13:51:40 GMT
There’s a 710 in Chingford sidings today. A 710/1 in fact. Promising!
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 7, 2019 19:00:18 GMT
So it seems that the 18th of Nov is the date set for 4 dc's an hour..
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