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Post by ijmad on Feb 17, 2023 19:11:25 GMT
I believe Thales is delivering some upgrades to SelTrac in coordination with the new train introduction. I wonder if that will include any changes to the onboard hardware or software on the B07/09s that might not be developed for the older fleet. Coming up with a one off solution to allow a B9X/2K to do occasional heritage runs might not be viable. It would still be good to preserve a unit in a museum though, even if it can't be run.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 17, 2023 19:38:49 GMT
The new signalling will need to cope with both types during the changeover period, and the remaining fleet into the future.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 17, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
Maybe the software changes to the signalling system help explain the very long period between the train's arrival and it entering public service? (in addition to the need for staff training - onboard staff, workshop staff - plus intensive tests when the network is closed for things like checking train to platform interface at every station platform, door closing mirror sighting when the trains are being driven from the front, checking power shoes are properly aligned with the leccy rails 'at all times' and even something as basic as checking that they are 'in gauge' etc) Would the easiest way to preserve one of the old units be to stable one on a short Poplar road unsuitable for the new trains, to be used for occasional enthusiast trips? How long would the journey be? A 10 second journey at a max speed of walking pace in a siding might not be attractive enough to entice the punters.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 17, 2023 21:57:22 GMT
A preserved vehicle would need to be somewhere inside. The rot would set in otherwise.
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Post by brigham on Feb 18, 2023 8:28:44 GMT
I think that the idea of stabling an old set at Poplar was to keep it for occasional trips on the line, rather than just on the siding.
It's a good idea. The siding might need to include a shed.
I can't wait to hear the fanciful objections concerning how it 'can't be done'.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 18, 2023 10:47:46 GMT
I think that the idea of stabling an old set at Poplar was to keep it for occasional trips on the line, rather than just on the siding. It's a good idea. The siding might need to include a shed. I can't wait to hear the fanciful objections concerning how it 'can't be done'. The long term proposal is to roof over the depot.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 13, 2023 17:39:01 GMT
Swift progress:
Train/Units 201.
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Post by ijmad on Mar 14, 2023 1:25:12 GMT
Removed
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 15, 2023 11:45:34 GMT
Its a while since I went that way, but is there a possibility of seeing the new train from the window of a train in passenger service? I would like a photo to add to this page about the DLR on my web site citytransport.info/DLR.htmAlternatively I'll have to contact CAF and ask if I can use their publicity pics (one outside, one inside)
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Post by Chris M on Mar 15, 2023 11:59:07 GMT
It is not possible to photograph trains in Beckton depot from a passing train unless they are about to leave and/or have just entered the depot, and as all testing on the mainline is currently happening during engineering hours it is extremely unlikely a B23 will be there. Some trains can be seen in the distance from Armada Way (or at least they could - I've not been that way since work on the expansion commenced), but it would be pot luck if it is on a road you can see.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 15, 2023 20:54:59 GMT
Thanks @chris M
I would not be surprised if its kept indoors at the moment, especially after the recent spray can (or whatever) vandalism.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 23, 2023 18:59:01 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 3, 2023 19:44:39 GMT
B23 train 201 on test:
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Post by ijmad on Apr 4, 2023 10:53:46 GMT
Nice footage! Love the testing wrap, very cute.
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Post by melikepie on Apr 4, 2023 15:05:31 GMT
I was surprised to see the train going down the wrong road in the video at Stratford High Street
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Post by ted672 on Apr 4, 2023 17:20:22 GMT
Nice footage! Love the testing wrap, very cute. The wrap is probably to cover the vandalism, or make it easier to deal with another attack. The train sounds a bit like the rebuilt D stock. <<rincew1nd: One word changed to "vandalism" in accordance with forum policy.>>
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Post by thinlizzy on Apr 4, 2023 23:04:48 GMT
Nice footage! Love the testing wrap, very cute. The wrap is probably to cover the vandalism, or make it easier to deal with another attack. The train sounds a bit like the rebuilt D stock. Vandalism was removed before the wrap was applied. The B23s do sound quite different to the B92 and B2007 fleet. Doors sound the same as the class 345s when "enabled". <<rincew1nd: One word changed to "vandalism" in accordance with forum policy.>>
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Post by DWS on Apr 4, 2023 23:34:00 GMT
I was surprised to see the train going down the wrong road in the video at Stratford High Street The DLR has bidirectional signalling so if the testing requires it will be done. Is not stated the time this testing was done.
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 5, 2023 19:09:04 GMT
Folks, I've tweaked a few posts just now; this forum does not give vandals the oxygen of publicity. It is vandalism, we shouldn't use any other word.
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Post by ijmad on Apr 6, 2023 0:54:36 GMT
What's with the flashing rear lights in the video btw? Is that a feature of the current fleet I've just not noticed, or something new?
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Post by Chris M on Apr 6, 2023 8:41:55 GMT
The current fleet have lights that flash when the train is being driven in full manual mode, and it would make sense for this to be carried over to the new fleet. Manual driving outside of depots is very rare during traffic hours which is why you've probably not seen it.
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Post by thinlizzy on Apr 6, 2023 13:07:16 GMT
What's with the flashing rear lights in the video btw? Is that a feature of the current fleet I've just not noticed, or something new? The amber flashing lights are when the train is being driven in "Emergency Shunt" mode. As Chris said, this is a manual driving mode used in depots and during certain situations on the mainline
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 6, 2023 13:21:42 GMT
Is this test train operation only when the route is closed to passenger services?
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Post by Chris M on Apr 6, 2023 19:27:19 GMT
Operation of the new trains is currently only happening when lines are closed to the public. When testing is more advanced, it will move to include some testing between service trains - recent messaging has just said "later this year" for that but I have a memory of seeing "late summer" somewhere, but this will be contingent on the current phase of testing being successful.
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 6, 2023 23:19:54 GMT
From at least one of the photos that I've seen it seems that at present the tests include checking that the trains do not foul any physical infrastructure, so the train would be travelling slowly and stopping frequently.
Possibly also the tests will also confirm full compatibility with the signalling and possibly more - all of which cannot happen when the line is also carrying trains that are in passenger service.
Long gone are the days when the new rolling stock would be delivered in the morning and carrying passengers later the same day!
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Post by jimbo on Apr 7, 2023 5:24:35 GMT
What's with the flashing rear lights in the video btw? Is that a feature of the current fleet I've just not noticed, or something new? The amber flashing lights are when the train is being driven in "Emergency Shunt" mode. As Chris said, this is a manual driving mode used in depots and during certain situations on the mainline Don't S stock do something similar? And perhaps also the Vic. Line trains?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 7, 2023 7:30:44 GMT
Don't S stock do something similar? And perhaps also the Vic. Line trains? They both do in RM Restricted Manual; S Stock 10mph, ‘09 Stock 17kph
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 17, 2023 10:56:44 GMT
close-up of temporary vinyl wrap on unit 201:
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 18, 2023 11:26:26 GMT
I was there last Sunday and only saw the test train whilst passing by on the Jubilee line.
It was stationary - between Stratford High Street and Abbey Road.
As an aside, I also went to Star Lane (walked from West Ham) and saw passengers wanting to use the station - one man actually 'touched in' his Oyster card but as it was a Freedom Pass he would not have ended up with a maximum fare. Other intending passengers even descended the steps to the platform. The rope barrier blocking the steps has been disconnected at one end, so was laying on the ground.
I did consider putting it back up but decided that if someone official arrived at the scene at the wrong moment I might be blamed for interfering with it. I was also concerned in case a DNA swab was made of the rope barrier to try and see if the person who interfered with it was already known to the police (ie: they have the person's DNA on their system).
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 22, 2023 12:25:53 GMT
I made a very short video of what I saw - its better than nothing, I suppose.
To at least try and show the train the best I could I include a slow-motion pass whilst travelling on a Jubilee line train
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