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Post by jimbo on Jan 29, 2023 3:13:13 GMT
Since the TfL Commissioner’s report, February 2023 was available 25 January, and presuming the content was collected a week earlier, 18 January, then 10 weeks remained to the end of March 2023 to complete 12 trains, or 5 more. So looks like a train every fortnight. With an original order of 43 trains, and 11 additional trains through the Housing Infrastructure Fund to provide capacity for housing growth in the Royal Docks and Isle of Dogs, that leaves 42 to be completed after April 2023, some 84 weeks of work. So the build will probably last to the end of 2024 calendar year. Looks like DLR deliveries will precede commencement of Piccadilly Line train deliveries, after testing of the pre-production pair there, so that will ease TfL's cash flow.
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Post by Alight on Feb 7, 2023 0:10:10 GMT
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Post by brigham on Feb 7, 2023 9:23:35 GMT
"The next stop is... the Universe."
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Feb 8, 2023 12:30:17 GMT
For an TTS announcement system introduced around 2007/8, the quality of them is very good, with the voice sounding like it's running out of breath on some announcements - does anyone know who supplies them?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 8, 2023 14:09:48 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Feb 9, 2023 2:11:36 GMT
Do we have a numbering scheme for the new trains? What car is 201D? What does the D represent? There doesn't seem to have been a definite answer to this, but from the photos it seems that train 201 is numbered as such across each cab end, but that the cars are numbered on the side, with 201E a cab car, so presumably 201D was to be coupled to that, with 201A being the cab car at the other end of the train, and 201B and 201C making up the train. Is this a unique numbering scheme, using both letters and numbers? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 9, 2023 4:42:13 GMT
Is this a unique numbering scheme, using both letters and numbers? As remarked a few posts back, the existing units have their number on the ends, the individual car numbers are on the inside and outside (at the point of connection) being alphanumeric. |
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Post by 35b on Feb 9, 2023 7:41:50 GMT
Is this a unique numbering scheme, using both letters and numbers? As remarked a few posts back, the existing units have their number on the ends, the individual car numbers are on the inside and outside (at the point of connection) being alphanumeric. Which is fairly standard for light rail vehicles in the U.K. |
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Post by thinlizzy on Feb 9, 2023 23:15:44 GMT
Is this a unique numbering scheme, using both letters and numbers? As remarked a few posts back, the existing units have their number on the ends, the individual car numbers are on the inside and outside (at the point of connection) being alphanumeric. As above- each DLR unit has an "A" end and a "B" end (one end has more equipment than the other.) The A, B, C, D and E probably just denote the section of the vehicle rather than anything specific. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 9, 2023 23:36:00 GMT
Do other operators letter the separate parts of their vehicles A, B, C or more? I've seen A and B cabs.
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Post by 35b on Feb 10, 2023 8:29:11 GMT
Do other operators letter the separate parts of their vehicles A, B, C or more? I've seen A and B cabs. Yes, the original Croydon trams included a ‘c’ section (the articulation), and similar schemes exist on other networks too. |
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Post by ijmad on Feb 10, 2023 17:20:21 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Feb 11, 2023 20:11:11 GMT
Since the TfL Commissioner’s report, February 2023 was available 25 January, and presuming the content was collected a week earlier, 18 January, then 10 weeks remained to the end of March 2023 to complete 12 trains, or 5 more. So looks like a train every fortnight. With an original order of 43 trains, and 11 additional trains through the Housing Infrastructure Fund to provide capacity for housing growth in the Royal Docks and Isle of Dogs, that leaves 42 to be completed after April 2023, some 84 weeks of work. So the build will probably last to the end of 2024 calendar year. Looks like DLR deliveries will precede commencement of Piccadilly Line train deliveries, after testing of the pre-production pair there, so that will ease TfL's cash flow. TfL press release "state-of-the-art DLR train" of 08 February 2023 link ends "All the new DLR trains are expected to enter service by 2026." which ties in with build to late 2024, arrive in London early 2025 and all commissioned before 2026, even allowing for some unexpected delays. |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Feb 12, 2023 0:33:31 GMT
I will quite miss the transverse seating on these new trains, some parts of the route are enjoyable to look out at and longitudinal seating doesn't really provide the most optimal viewing experience
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Post by ijmad on Feb 12, 2023 10:48:31 GMT
I actually wonder what percentage of DLR passengers are tourists just doing it for the views!
I'm sure it can't be more than single digits but there's definitely some.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 12, 2023 16:26:24 GMT
I actually wonder what percentage of DLR passengers are tourists just doing it for the views! I'm sure it can't be more than single digits but there's definitely some. The transverse seats tend to be occupied first at the start of each journey and not usually by tourists. |
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Post by Alight on Feb 13, 2023 23:03:45 GMT
For an TTS announcement system introduced around 2007/8, the quality of them is very good, with the voice sounding like it's running out of breath on some announcements - does anyone know who supplies them? I am finding contradictory information within this FOI request trail: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/info_on_the_announcementsIt says on the one hand they are TTS, on the other hand voiced by a member of staff. The Geoff Marshall video indicates the latter, and that she isn't available anymore. |
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Post by ijmad on Feb 14, 2023 0:18:18 GMT
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Post by undergroundernie on Feb 15, 2023 16:40:45 GMT
I can't believe that they are getting rid of the B90/92 stock does anyone know if they are going to preserve one if they are maybe unit 22 or 45, because unit 22 was the first to be delivered and unit 45 was the first to have the seltrac signalling system
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Post by Chris L on Feb 15, 2023 19:39:23 GMT
I can't believe that they are getting rid of the B90/92 stock does anyone know if they are going to preserve one if they are maybe unit 22 or 45, because unit 22 was the first to be delivered and unit 45 was the first to have the seltrac signalling system As Andy Lord said at the launch of the new trains they are replacing light rail vehicles which are life expired. Should any be preserved, I can see no reason choose vehicles with a different signalling system. What's the visible difference? |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 15, 2023 23:45:14 GMT
Its great that people want to preserve some for the future, but where? Do LTM, Crich or the East Anglia Transport Museum have space for these? Even half a train? Could they even be made to work, as battery powered trains? There is a need for a UK light rail museum with examples from other UK systems as well. But where, and how it is funded..........  |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 16, 2023 12:16:30 GMT
The DLR is definitely within the scope of the London Transport Museum (last time I was at Acton I remember seeing a section of DLR conductor rail for example), so they are by far the most likely organisation to preserve a vehicle if anybody does.
I would be surprised if a unit could not be converted to battery operation if someone chose to fund it, but given that finding a location to run it (other than the DLR network), regardless of motive power, would be tricky I do not expect any preserved vehicle to be anything other than a static display.
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Post by xplaistow on Feb 16, 2023 18:25:10 GMT
A thought that has occured to me is: Once enough of the new trains have been introduced to allow all services to be full-length, what will happen to the sidings at Poplar that aren't long enough to take a full-length train? Will they be taken out of service, will the track layout be modified so that all sidings can take a full-length train (possibly with fewer total sidings) or will some of the existing trains be uncoupled to stable and then recoupled when next brought into service?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 16, 2023 18:31:25 GMT
In the short term I would expect the latter - uncoupling will continue, especially as I expect exams will be due on different units at different times. Longer term, I don't know but it will in part depend on how many units need to be stabled at Poplar - would just taking the short sidings out of service leave enough? I don't know.
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Post by ijmad on Feb 16, 2023 19:41:58 GMT
As Andy Lord said at the launch of the new trains they are replacing light rail vehicles which are life expired. Should any be preserved, I can see no reason choose vehicles with a different signalling system. What's the visible difference? I thought the B2Ks were going too, which would mean all the 'original style' DLR stock designs would now be retired. One should definitely be preserved - unless there's a P86/P89 sitting around somewhere? |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 16, 2023 19:53:14 GMT
Yes, all the B90/B92/B2K vehicles are going. Chris L's comment was in reply to undergroundernie's suggestion of preserving one of two specific vehicles (as opposed to just any one of the design). There are no P86/P89 vehicles in original condition, they were all exported to Essen, Germany and heavily modified. I think they are in the process of being withdrawn from there, but I have no idea what if any plans there are for any to be preserved there or here. |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 16, 2023 21:02:04 GMT
Alas the P86 with the most history (No.11) has already been scrapped. I think its demise was related to a fire but am not 100% sure.
btw, if memories are correct this unit was involved in the pre-Metrolink demonstration service in Manchester and it carried HM The Queen as part of the DLR's opening events.
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Post by Tom on Feb 16, 2023 21:53:58 GMT
You are correct.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 17, 2023 3:46:40 GMT
Would the easiest way to preserve one of the old units be to stable one on a short Poplar road unsuitable for the new trains, to be used for occasional enthusiast trips?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 17, 2023 14:18:09 GMT
Would depend on the economics and other practicalities, but it sounds like an idea worth investigating.
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