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Post by brigham on Nov 17, 2021 9:10:41 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 19, 2021 21:43:23 GMT
Rolling stock manufacturing is underway with the first four trains out of the 43 train order in production. The first train is now assembled and ready to begin static testing. This strategic milestone was achieved two months ahead of programme. TfL have now finalised terms for the acquisition for the land at Beckton adjoining the current depot to accommodate a further 11 trains funded by the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities. [Finance Report – Period 7, 2021/22 - 1 April to 16 October 2021 p.33/76] The Programmes and Investment Committee on 21 July 2021 were told that the 11 extra trains could be as many as 14, but looks like funding uncertainty has settled on the minimum 11. It would be great if some photos of the new trains were released. I've never heard of that Government department before and am surprised that it is not the Department for Transport that is funding the trains. Not that it really matters. |
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Post by Chris L on Nov 19, 2021 23:58:09 GMT
Rolling stock manufacturing is underway with the first four trains out of the 43 train order in production. The first train is now assembled and ready to begin static testing. This strategic milestone was achieved two months ahead of programme. TfL have now finalised terms for the acquisition for the land at Beckton adjoining the current depot to accommodate a further 11 trains funded by the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities. [Finance Report – Period 7, 2021/22 - 1 April to 16 October 2021 p.33/76] The Programmes and Investment Committee on 21 July 2021 were told that the 11 extra trains could be as many as 14, but looks like funding uncertainty has settled on the minimum 11. It would be great if some photos of the new trains were released. I've never heard of that Government department before and am surprised that it is not the Department for Transport that is funding the trains. Not that it really matters. Worse than anything - Michael Gove is the minister in charge. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 21, 2021 22:07:51 GMT
Can we keep political opinions out of this, please?
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Post by grumpycat on Nov 22, 2021 15:00:02 GMT
When are the new trains beginning static testing and any pics of the complete unit yet?
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Post by grumpycat on Dec 19, 2021 6:23:34 GMT
Any new updates so far?
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Post by grumpycat on Jan 12, 2022 11:58:48 GMT
Any updates yet and how are tfl or caf planning to deliver the trains?
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Post by Chris M on Jan 12, 2022 12:50:04 GMT
I can't imagine that delivery will be anything other than by road to Beckton depot.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 12, 2022 22:25:17 GMT
I heard a rumour they would be brought to City Airport using the soon to be redundant Airbus 'Beluga' then helicoptered to Beckton.
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Post by Chris L on Jan 13, 2022 7:46:40 GMT
I heard a rumour they would be brought to City Airport using the soon to be redundant Airbus 'Beluga' then helicoptered to Beckton. It's not April 1st. |
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Post by jimbo on Jan 26, 2022 10:13:50 GMT
Rolling stock manufacturing is under way for our new fleet, with the initial run of 20 car bodies for trains one to four now in production. The first two trains are now assembled, which means we have been able
to begin static testing.
At Beckton, work on the northern sidings continues and the project has started an intensive period of track work in the lead up to the changeover to the new signalling control system this spring.
[TfL Commissioner’s report - February 2022]
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Post by jimbo on Jan 27, 2022 4:58:47 GMT
New DLR trains FoI response: The first two trains have been manufactured. There is now a break in production until late this year while these first trains undergo a comprehensive period of testing. ... The first trains are due to enter service in early 2024 with the introduction of the 43rd train in early 2026. ... Beckton Depot works are underway. Enabling works are complete and works continue to expand the northern sidings. here |
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Post by grumpycat on Apr 4, 2022 12:59:35 GMT
Any updates on the testing on the new DLR trains?
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Post by grumpycat on Apr 12, 2022 19:02:11 GMT
Saw a picture of what I think is one of the units undergoing dynamic testing  ![]() |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 13, 2022 12:17:22 GMT
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Post by t697 on May 13, 2022 15:41:26 GMT
It's a cracking pace of progress compared to most LUL builds. Doesn't seem hugely long ago the tenders were under review. I guess because it's mostly an efficient adaptation of existing designs.
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Post by xplaistow on May 13, 2022 20:03:35 GMT
It's interesting to see that cars 2 & 4 will have 3 doors per side while 1, 3 & 5 only have 2 per side. On the one hand this means that the new trains will have the same number of doors per side as an existing 3-car set (12 in both cases). On the other it does result in a slightly irregular spacing of the doors.
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Post by rapidtransitman on May 13, 2022 20:25:37 GMT
I like that these new trains aren't as boxy as the previous DLR models.
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Post by spsmiler on May 13, 2022 20:55:53 GMT
A visual shock to the system - yet another DLR livery. I had not expected that!
They look more like urban metro trains than light rail trains, but I suppose this is because they are indeed metro trains.
The door variations are interesting, maybe savvy passengers making longer journeys will aim for the 'two doorway' carriages* because they will have more seats. What would be nice is for most of these to be 2+2 seats rather than longitudinal seats.
*The DLR has LU style cars or railway style carriages / coaches?
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Post by jimbo on May 13, 2022 20:58:41 GMT
Rather dull livery for new trains! Compared to original artists impressions, see: here or here. Going to conventional bogie train when the original fleet are articulated, and LU is going towards articulated for the Picc! |
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Post by brigham on May 14, 2022 7:32:00 GMT
The livery seems to follow the lines of the vehicles.
What an extraordinary concept...
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Post by Chris M on May 14, 2022 15:02:27 GMT
*The DLR has LU style cars or railway style carriages / coaches? The DLR has "cars". Although when the longer formation trains were introduced on the Beckton branch circa 2011 the DMI at Cyprus (and presumably elsewhere) was proclaiming the start of services with "three car carriages". |
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Post by routew15 on May 15, 2022 9:48:05 GMT
It's interesting to see that cars 2 & 4 will have 3 doors per side while 1, 3 & 5 only have 2 per side. On the one hand this means that the new trains will have the same number of doors per side as an existing 3-car set (12 in both cases). On the other it does result in a slightly irregular spacing of the doors. For the end cars I would imagine retaining 2 doors per side would be better for short platforms at Cutty Sark etc. Less doors to lock in SDO. |
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Post by xplaistow on May 15, 2022 14:05:47 GMT
It's interesting to see that cars 2 & 4 will have 3 doors per side while 1, 3 & 5 only have 2 per side. On the one hand this means that the new trains will have the same number of doors per side as an existing 3-car set (12 in both cases). On the other it does result in a slightly irregular spacing of the doors. For the end cars I would imagine retaining 2 doors per side would be better for short platforms at Cutty Sark etc. Less doors to lock in SDO. That's a very good point. With this setup it might just be possible to get both the 2nd pair of doors and the 2nd last pair of doors into the short platforms at once (meaning 10 doors in the platform as opposed to 8 currently). However, it doesn't explain why there are only 2 doors on the centre car though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 14:07:07 GMT
The DLR always used to refer to their trains officially as "vehicles" not cars or units.
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Post by rsdworker on May 15, 2022 16:16:43 GMT
©CAF/TfL the train shape looks like simllar to asterdam metro which has same shape but different front also Sydney metro has simllar front but not maked by CAF for Sydney metro i think |
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Post by jimbo on May 16, 2022 0:42:51 GMT
Looks to be no cab for staff privacy, despite recent problems with virus causing separation of DLR train ends. It was understandable with 3-unit trains which might have needed 6 cabs, but 5-car train would only need at each end. TfL report favoured cabs: see. Picc trains are to have temp. cab wall until full automation (perhaps never) so maybe DLR should fit similar divider for cab, or half cab? |
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Post by Chris L on May 16, 2022 5:33:12 GMT
Looks to be no cab for staff privacy, despite recent problems with virus causing separation of DLR train ends. It was understandable with 3-unit trains which might have needed 6 cabs, but 5-car train would only need at each end. TfL report favoured cabs: see. Picc trains are to have temp. cab wall until full automation (perhaps never) so maybe DLR should fit similar divider for cab, or half cab? The front seats have always been the most popular with passengers on the DLR because of the views. It would be a big shame to have a cab. An earlier picture suggested there is a moveable barrier beside the left hand seats when being "driven" from the front. |
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Post by rsdworker on May 16, 2022 7:16:40 GMT
however in other cities where simllar automated trains with staff - generally staff would had wear mask during operations - i think singpore is one where staff dont put barriers just put mask on and work on it
however i havent not seen any videos or any articles present
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Post by t697 on May 16, 2022 10:03:08 GMT
One could still barrier off the section from frontmost passenger doorway to the car front in a similar manner to that done on the existing DLR trains for the operator to use. I wonder whether the the covid infection rates were different for DLR train staff compared to LUL. The rates may still be dominated by out of work exposure.
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