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Post by snoggle on Sept 20, 2017 10:01:48 GMT
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 20, 2017 15:59:22 GMT
Actually, is there a method of trapping the hot air he & others spout about transport? I'm therefore left wondering, given the dwindling fossil fuel resources, whether he oughtn't to be pioneering a new propulsion method for this scheme. I wonder, too, whether the manure production herein might equally be adapted in the best British traditions of wattle & daub to fund the viaduct construction very cheaply. |
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Post by Ben on Sept 20, 2017 20:03:45 GMT
Utter word-salad. But it doesn't have to have meaning; it exists so that if (when) the project does fail the MP and his associates can turn around and say 'but we tried', and point the finger of blame! Mean old Khan, we told you he (and by extension his party) couldn't be trusted!
I hope someone manages to FOI him and nail down exactly what he proposes. Or perhaps the mayor/assembly could ask for a copy of it in writing. Once its on paper, fully 'explained', the paucity of anything tangible should be apparent. I suspect though that the proposal consists of nothing more than the 20 words or so twice repeated by him already!
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Post by londoner on Sept 21, 2017 23:12:45 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Sept 22, 2017 0:20:08 GMT
Now that is an interesting exchange as is the way in which Khan has sequenced events. Obviously there are politics here about dumping "blame" in the right place (depending on your views) but the fact the Mayor prefaces all of this with the rejection of further devolution to TfL is hugely important. Clearly Mr Bailey was trying to make Khan the villain of the piece while Khan is making the DfT and, without directly mentioning them, HCC responsible for a poor funding deal and shoddy scoping / estimates. There are about another 20 relevant questions that needed to be asked in that curtailed conversation and I wonder if we will ever see the written correspondence from the Mayor? TfL haven't taken their £50m off the table (yet) but clearly they're not agreeing (under Mayoral instruction) to carry the extra £50m cost risk so that drops back to the local authorities and DfT despite what Boris signed up to. Ho hum.  If other sources of funding are used then DfT and City Hall and whoever else are going to have to draft and sign a revised funding agreement with the cost risk issue re-assigned or differently indemnified. |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 28, 2017 7:02:39 GMT
It always amazes me how huge projects like Crossrail and HS2 will be delivered, yet we can't manage to do something which in all essence involves building one new bridge and laying some track on an existing alignment.
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Post by Ben on Sept 28, 2017 10:31:48 GMT
Shocking isn't it. But given how lacking national structures are for long term planning and investment its not a surprise.
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Post by trt on Oct 12, 2017 22:16:51 GMT
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Post by philthetube on Oct 13, 2017 5:20:47 GMT
Perhaps the reverse might work better with NR taking over the link?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 13, 2017 7:00:40 GMT
And just how long would it take for the fare revenue to pay off the downpayment? (not to mention the running costs)
I also like the "Crunch talks centred on the future of the Metropolitan Line Extension took place between some of the country’s foremost politicians yesterday (Thursday). " Just because one of the two local MPs in the talks is a junior minister.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 13, 2017 9:44:48 GMT
To think all this could probably have been avoided if the Metropolitan Railway hadn't managed to persuade HMG that it shouldn't be absorbed into the Big Four in 1923. Even if the LNER had persevered with opening the branch in the first place, (and indeed electrification beyond the 1923 limit at Harrow) both the Watford and Chesham branches would probably have been closed in the Beeching Cuts. The LMR Croxley Green branch only survived as long as it did because of the need to keep Croxley Green depot open - it closed in 1985 when the captive dc-only class 501s on the Wat-Eus line were replaced by 313s (which, being ac/dc, could escape up the West Coast Main line to Bletchley for maintenance)
Speculation as to how the Circle Line would have been operated as a joint LNER/MDR (or later LNER/LT) service, and the implications for the post-war Great Eastern electrification of the LNER already having a substantial 3rd/4th rail network meeting the GEML at both Liverpool Street and Shoreditch (not to mention the Northern City Line becoming part of the LNER!) are probably beyond the scope of this thread.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 13, 2017 10:05:29 GMT
TfL were questioned about the scheme, not this meeting, by the Assembly Budget Cttee. The line put forward was that TfL can't find the extra cash and it was for others (Herts in particular) to find the cash. A form of govt funding for local schemes was mentioned as a possible source for additional funding. Caroline Pidgeon pointed out that the construction powers lapse at the end of the year. TfL said they knew that and people were working for a resolution by then. I still think Harrington is deluded in expecting TfL to take on more debt or bits of NR infrastructure. It just isn't going to happen and even if it could it is not a quick solution given all the requisite work that would be needed to effect an asset transfer. Certainly couldn't be done by the year end whereas raiding piggy banks might be possible. |
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Post by croxleyn on Oct 13, 2017 11:01:08 GMT
Can anyone confirm memories that not long after moving to Croxley in 1982, there were proposals to shut the Watford branch entirely, and curtail the "all-stations" trains at Northwood?
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Post by thc on Oct 13, 2017 13:15:40 GMT
Can anyone confirm memories that not long after moving to Croxley in 1982, there were proposals to shut the Watford branch entirely, and curtail the "all-stations" trains at Northwood? I lived in Croxley from 1978-90 - my father was a Met line driver at Ricky - and have never heard this before. There were big service cutbacks in 1982, yes, but this sounds like an extrapolation from that rather than anything more substantial. THC |
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Post by pitdiver on Oct 14, 2017 19:10:39 GMT
I worked at Watford Met and Crowley for about 6 years between 1989 and 1995. Never heard anything about curtailing services at Northwood.
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Post by silenthunter on Oct 15, 2017 19:37:51 GMT
Can anyone confirm memories that not long after moving to Croxley in 1982, there were proposals to shut the Watford branch entirely, and curtail the "all-stations" trains at Northwood? I lived in Croxley from 1978-90 - my father was a Met line driver at Ricky - and have never heard this before. There were big service cutbacks in 1982, yes, but this sounds like an extrapolation from that rather than anything more substantial. There were certainly options looked at for further service cutbacks at that time (around the time of the Serpell Report which gave some options for BR as reducing it to bare bones), but it never became a formal proposal. |
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Post by londoner on Oct 15, 2017 21:13:35 GMT
On the subject of cutbacks, wasn't the Chiltern service from moor park removed because they couldn't update the signalling?
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Post by trt on Oct 17, 2017 16:17:01 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 17, 2017 17:10:40 GMT
Still hasn't explained exactly where this additional funding would come from. Given the cutbacks TfL is making elsewhere , it is evident that it has no magic money tree. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 17, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
I get the feeling the Mayor told the MPs to go away and find some money, if they succeed then come back to him and it'll get built.
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 17, 2017 20:35:04 GMT
I get the feeling the Mayor told the MPs to go away and find some money, if they succeed then come back to him and it'll get built. Do you think the word crowdfunding was part of the dialogue? |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 18, 2017 12:20:07 GMT
It's now moved into the realms of resembling one of Monty Python's more bizarre sketches. I think we're now quite a way beyond the Parrot Sketch and probably into Dali-esque surrealism mixed with the Life of Brian. Is there anything Harrington won't say in order to keep his profile looking good? |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 18, 2017 13:23:19 GMT
I get the feeling the Mayor told the MPs to go away and find some money, if they succeed then come back to him and it'll get built. Do you think the word crowdfunding was part of the dialogue? At this rate they’ll be doing a whip round in Watford town centre . . . |
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 18, 2017 14:44:51 GMT
Do you think the word crowdfunding was part of the dialogue? At this rate they’ll be doing a whip round in Watford town centre . . . Who's going to tweet this idea to Mr Harrington, then? |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 18, 2017 16:28:04 GMT
At this rate they’ll be doing a whip round in Watford town centre . . . Who's going to tweet this idea to Mr Harrington, then? And send him a high viz tabard and a bucket?  |
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 18, 2017 17:57:33 GMT
Who's going to tweet this idea to Mr Harrington, then? And send him a high viz tabard and a bucket? Or, take lessons from this geezer: except DP was a pro!!! |
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Post by trt on Oct 30, 2017 21:40:22 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 31, 2017 8:00:08 GMT
it could interfere with the MLX. Perhaps its the latest budget cut to the project - everyone wanting to travel between Watford Junction and Croxley will be lent a bicycle. |
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Post by trt on Oct 31, 2017 11:01:06 GMT
it could interfere with the MLX. Perhaps its the latest budget cut to the project - everyone wanting to travel between Watford Junction and Croxley will be lent a bicycle. It will become known as The Boris Link. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 31, 2017 15:30:20 GMT
Perhaps its the latest budget cut to the project - everyone wanting to travel between Watford Junction and Croxley will be lent a bicycle. It will become known as The Boris Link. The Richard Route surely - R Harrington MP wouldn't miss the opportunity to take the credit for any development in Watford. |
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