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Post by Ben on Jan 31, 2018 21:51:29 GMT
Are those Mk1's at Hainault? Or the works? Either way they wouldn't have been on the Met at all if Mk1s, though if Mk2s they would have shared the 4 track with the Met between Finchley Road and Wembley and possibly run to Watford on the Bloo route.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 31, 2018 23:11:16 GMT
What the flippin heck is going on with the image of the moss covered (I can only guess is a) 72TS. Ignoring the shared line between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge, since when have any of these early 1970s units made it onto the Met?? I'm fairly sure that's ex-Northern line unit now long term resident of Aldwych 72 mk1 3229, the yellowed reflection of tiles in the windows gives it away. |
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Post by trt on Feb 3, 2018 7:17:45 GMT
In the dying days of the old Croxley Green Line, did they de-electrify the route and switch to a DMU?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 3, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
DMUs were used occasionally if no EMU was available, but I don't think the line was actually de-energised
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Post by croxleyn on Feb 3, 2018 14:34:14 GMT
I used it in '89 (electric traction), when there were basically no passengers during the day. Got on at Croxley with my toddler daughter, then off at West Watford. The guard, in the driver's cab, was astonished to see us, but not interested in any fare when I waved some money towards him!
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2018 14:07:17 GMT
A recent Q and A with the Mayor of London about the Met Line Extension gives a bit more detail on what's happened / what alternatives are being considered. Have to say I am shocked that TfL might lead on a busway type scheme which lies wholly outside of London!
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Post by trt on Mar 21, 2018 22:27:07 GMT
Well, I can understand the refusal to accept further risk, but he's clearly got no idea about Watford, or he'd know that a bus rapid transport scheme as a lower cost option is a complete non-starter due to the LO shared track between Wiggenhall Road and Watford Junction.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 21, 2018 23:38:33 GMT
Actually, he could know that it is a complete non-starter so he make grand-sounding promises based on conditionals he knows cannot be satisfied, while carefully not stressing the "if" statement:
IF (bus rapid transit option is cheaper) THEN I'll direct TfL to lead on the project.
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Post by trt on Mar 22, 2018 15:53:02 GMT
Actually, he could know that it is a complete non-starter so he make grand-sounding promises based on conditionals he knows cannot be satisfied, while carefully not stressing the "if" statement: IF (bus rapid transit option is cheaper) THEN I'll direct TfL to lead on the project.Very good point. The various options document from donkeys years ago made it very clear that a bus option, even though it came out as second favourite, was clearly well below delivering anything workable. |
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Post by trt on Apr 19, 2018 16:12:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 20:20:18 GMT
Unless he got a cheque book and can sign off millions I would think it still a non starter
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Post by superteacher on Jul 26, 2019 23:10:47 GMT
Threads merged. This one unlocked.
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Post by alpinejohn on Jul 27, 2019 7:26:09 GMT
Unless he got a cheque book and can sign off millions I would think it still a non starter +1 to this conclusion - at least for now... Whilst, as his place of birth, Croxley may have indeed some residual ties for Mr Shapps, I strongly doubt it would overcome the usual political imperatives - especially if you wade through his past exploits and various hiccups (allegedly) listed on Wikipedia. So yes he is now Transport Minister, but I suspect that at least for now the Treasury (and especially its Mandarins) will block any significant spending commitments unless or until it is deemed politically expedient to do so (or Boris says yes). Back to reality - Grant Shapps is MP for North Welwyn which is actually a fair way from any element of the Croxley Link. So a decision to go ahead with the Croxley Link would not benefit many, if any, of his constituents or be high on his list of things to spend money on. Meanwhile Watford is something of a marginal constituency. At the 2017 election Richard Harrington the current tory MP won with a much reduced +2000 majority compared +9000 in 2015. So it is not impossible that some sort of "commitment" to the Croxley Link may yet appear albeit with the usual caveats discretely buried in the small print - but that would really only happen if of course someone decides to call a snap election. Sadly even if a pre-election commitment is made, electoral promises have quite a habit of being dropped or kicked remorselessly down the road so they never come to pass. Seize the day - is however a mantra which many public sector projects need to be alert to. If, let's say 31 October is here and the UK has left the EU without a deal, there just might be a brief spending window, to mobilise and get the project beyond the economic point of no return, as the Government may wish to use infrastructure spending to support the economy during the post EU transition. Obviously if TFL need 5 years to kick off real spending on Croxley then that would pretty much rule it out as a way of delivering a fairly immediate economic boost. So IF and it is a BIG IF, TFL really want this project to proceed, then it might be worth someone at TFL towers dusting off those plans and figuring out what they could discretely do right now, so that they really do have their act together come the opportunity. In essence they need to be pretty much ready to tender and order all the big ticket stuff - station civils and that bridge - then the Croxley Link Project may yet rise from the ashes. Inherently no deal might also speed up the process by dumping the lengthy OJEU tendering process and invite tenders for the work from UK outfits exclusively if that is what they want. Whether that would deliver better VFM remains to be seen. Hmm interesting times. |
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Post by metman on Jul 27, 2019 9:09:37 GMT
Stupid comment of the day.....
I wonder if any thought was given to part building the route towards Croxley and reinstating the Overground service to Watford West? Would there be demand? For the cost I guess not.
Returning to the link itself I can’t see funding coming forward which is a shame but a sign of the times.
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Post by 35b on Jul 27, 2019 10:11:14 GMT
Unless he got a cheque book and can sign off millions I would think it still a non starter +1 to this conclusion - at least for now... Whilst, as his place of birth, Croxley may have indeed some residual ties for Mr Shapps, I strongly doubt it would overcome the usual political imperatives - especially if you wade through his past exploits and various hiccups (allegedly) listed on Wikipedia. So yes he is now Transport Minister, but I suspect that at least for now the Treasury (and especially its Mandarins) will block any significant spending commitments unless or until it is deemed politically expedient to do so (or Boris says yes). Back to reality - Grant Shapps is MP for North Welwyn which is actually a fair way from any element of the Croxley Link. So a decision to go ahead with the Croxley Link would not benefit many, if any, of his constituents or be high on his list of things to spend money on. Meanwhile Watford is something of a marginal constituency. At the 2017 election Richard Harrington the current tory MP won with a much reduced +2000 majority compared +9000 in 2015. So it is not impossible that some sort of "commitment" to the Croxley Link may yet appear albeit with the usual caveats discretely buried in the small print - but that would really only happen if of course someone decides to call a snap election. Sadly even if a pre-election commitment is made, electoral promises have quite a habit of being dropped or kicked remorselessly down the road so they never come to pass. Seize the day - is however a mantra which many public sector projects need to be alert to. If, let's say 31 October is here and the UK has left the EU without a deal, there just might be a brief spending window, to mobilise and get the project beyond the economic point of no return, as the Government may wish to use infrastructure spending to support the economy during the post EU transition. Obviously if TFL need 5 years to kick off real spending on Croxley then that would pretty much rule it out as a way of delivering a fairly immediate economic boost. So IF and it is a BIG IF, TFL really want this project to proceed, then it might be worth someone at TFL towers dusting off those plans and figuring out what they could discretely do right now, so that they really do have their act together come the opportunity. In essence they need to be pretty much ready to tender and order all the big ticket stuff - station civils and that bridge - then the Croxley Link Project may yet rise from the ashes. Inherently no deal might also speed up the process by dumping the lengthy OJEU tendering process and invite tenders for the work from UK outfits exclusively if that is what they want. Whether that would deliver better VFM remains to be seen. Hmm interesting times. You apply logic to this, but pure politics may also apply. Remember that the project was reinvigorated by a Tory, and squashed by Boris’ successor as mayor. On the other hand, Harrington is not a supporter of the hard Brexiteers. Therein lie political arguments for why this project may or may not be resuscitated. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 27, 2019 10:29:00 GMT
This thread became political once before, and is beginning to do so again with the same points as previously. As nothing has really changed, I am going to relock it.
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