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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 23, 2018 17:04:07 GMT
Well the idea of putting heritage stock out and about would be for it to generate activity, so the little action point isn't the most relevant during the day and (for a bit of money) additional security could be provided for the odd day. But tucking it away in an out-of-the-way place like platform 4 at High Street Ken would also make it difficult for the crowds wishing to see it to get to it. (and if there are not going to be crowds, is it worth it?) (I recall the 1986 stock prototypes were displayed in the bay at Woodford. That is clearly not a practical proposition for Q stock!) But is there perhaps an unregarded bay platform somewhere on the Overground?) |
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Post by t697 on Nov 23, 2018 18:02:57 GMT
If they are just to be on show and not run, the space next to platform 2 at Mansion House might suit...
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Post by Chris M on Nov 23, 2018 20:53:18 GMT
But tucking it away in an out-of-the-way place like platform 4 at High Street Ken would also make it difficult for the crowds wishing to see it to get to it. (and if there are not going to be crowds, is it worth it?) Hence my suggestion of Ealing Broadway platform 8 on a day when the District line can't use it, but the Central line, Crossrail and TfL Rail can bring the crowds. (I recall the 1986 stock prototypes were displayed in the bay at Woodford. That is clearly not a practical proposition for Q stock!) But is there perhaps an unregarded bay platform somewhere on the Overground?) Indeed, platform 13 at Stratford is unused during the day and Charing Cross Jubilee would pull in the punters - as would a shuttle along the Aldwych branch but those are equally not suitable. Mudchute bay platform would also be useful for an accessible but out-of-the-way location but getting it there without breaking any of the railway would be interesting. Is the South Ealing test track accessible to surface stock? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 21:27:54 GMT
Yes it is via a turn around at Northfields Depot
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2018 22:24:26 GMT
If they are just to be on show and not run, the space next to platform 2 at Mansion House might suit... Logistics of actually getting something there, with no track or points from main-line should prove interesting. |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 23, 2018 23:35:57 GMT
Temporary track should be no big deal, and Wikipedia informs me that temporary points, known as off-railers, are a thing. See page 64 of this PDF for the best illustration I've found of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 0:05:11 GMT
Shame about the removal of the goods sidings and construction of the cabin at Rayners Lane... it would have been great to have a train on display there as passengers alighting from terminating Piccadilly Line trains could have taken a look waiting for a train out to Uxbridge and passengers taking a train back into London (from Westbound Met to Eastbound Piccadilly and vice versa may have wanted to have a look too.
On a slightly different note, I was wondering if when more stock comes out of service with no place to go as the museum is rather full(1973 Stock?), could they be repurposed and stored in old bays instead of being scrapped? Chalfont and Latimer for example has the old Chesham shuttle bay, and if a train was parked there and fitted out with bike lockers, maybe an annual fee for usage or something of the sort could be charged for usage in order to maintain it? This may not be practical but in my opinion it’s nicer to have at least 1 car of each Stock, even if it’s been modified and has no interior rather than simply sending them all for scrap. There is then the option in the future to either cannibalise it or restore it rather than not having it whatsoever. I suppose this could be turned into some sort of business too if done well.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 4, 2022 13:20:18 GMT
Update from LT Museum regarding Q Stock restoration:
DM car 4417 internal restoration complete, two compressors overhauled.
Trailer 08063 door engines overhauled.
DM car 4416 will now be moved inside shed to complete similar work to 4417. Work expected to take up to two years.
Both DM car motors, contracts to be let in 2024 for full restoration.
Specification written for restoration of the two brake vans, which will be required as match-wagons to move the Q Stock around on the Undergound between battery locos. (SSR CBTC).
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 4, 2022 23:05:23 GMT
So its going to be circa 2026 before its ready for action?
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 5, 2022 20:40:51 GMT
2024 by the time body restoration is complete, then the motors will done (no timescale stated). It sounds like the rate limiting step will be the brake vans, and there is no timescale given for them.
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Post by joshua on Apr 11, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
But tucking it away in an out-of-the-way place like platform 4 at High Street Ken would also make it difficult for the crowds wishing to see it to get to it. (and if there are not going to be crowds, is it worth it?) Hence my suggestion of Ealing Broadway platform 8 on a day when the District line can't use it, but the Central line, Crossrail and TfL Rail can bring the crowds. (I recall the 1986 stock prototypes were displayed in the bay at Woodford. That is clearly not a practical proposition for Q stock!) But is there perhaps an unregarded bay platform somewhere on the Overground?) Indeed, platform 13 at Stratford is unused during the day and Charing Cross Jubilee would pull in the punters - as would a shuttle along the Aldwych branch but those are equally not suitable. Mudchute bay platform would also be useful for an accessible but out-of-the-way location but getting it there without breaking any of the railway would be interesting. Is the South Ealing test track accessible to surface stock? What about if you put it in the Disused platform at Clapham Junction? You could ether lay temporary tracks down and/or crane the Q stock into place. |
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Post by bomo on Apr 13, 2022 8:44:57 GMT
Hence my suggestion of Ealing Broadway platform 8 on a day when the District line can't use it, but the Central line, Crossrail and TfL Rail can bring the crowds. Indeed, platform 13 at Stratford is unused during the day and Charing Cross Jubilee would pull in the punters - as would a shuttle along the Aldwych branch but those are equally not suitable. Mudchute bay platform would also be useful for an accessible but out-of-the-way location but getting it there without breaking any of the railway would be interesting. Is the South Ealing test track accessible to surface stock? What about if you put it in the Disused platform at Clapham Junction? You could ether lay temporary tracks down and/or crane the Q stock into place. That won't even be considered. There are two main reasons why it is disused. The first being that there is a whole load of signalling equipment on parts of the formation. The cost of moving that was considered prohibitive when the options for the additional Overground platform were being assessed so laying accessible track for a preserved Underground train is as far from a viable option as you can get. The second reason is that part of the structure alongside that disused platform is weak so no-one would consider placing a train on it without remedial work.
Bottom line is if using that formation were at all feasible without huge cost then it would have been used for the Overground. |
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Post by joshua on Apr 13, 2022 13:25:50 GMT
What about if you put it in the Disused platform at Clapham Junction? You could ether lay temporary tracks down and/or crane the Q stock into place. That won't even be considered. There are two main reasons why it is disused. The first being that there is a whole load of signalling equipment on parts of the formation. The cost of moving that was considered prohibitive when the options for the additional Overground platform were being assessed so laying accessible track for a preserved Underground train is as far from a viable option as you can get. The second reason is that part of the structure alongside that disused platform is weak so no-one would consider placing a train on it without remedial work.
Bottom line is if using that formation were at all feasible without huge cost then it would have been used for the Overground. What about if you run the Q stock between Wimbledon and East Putney instead of putting on the Disused Platform at Clapham Junction? |
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Post by t697 on Apr 13, 2022 15:04:58 GMT
You've still got to get it there and away afterwards. And the handworked crossover at East Putney has been removed I thought?
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 13, 2022 20:40:01 GMT
Putting it on display at Mansion House as a 'one off' publicity event would have drawn in punters, and helped raise funds.
This was done at Ricky in 2000 with the Chesham Set carriages plus Met No.1
Alas its too late now ... no track!
Whitechapel has been lost to the railway in terms of a spare platform face.
The bay platforms at Plaistow and Dagenham East are a bit out of the way but perhaps on a Sunday could be useful.
Tower Hill is needed for regular services.
Putney Bridge ... same story as Mansion House and Whitechapel.
Richmond / Wimbledon / Ealing Broadway / South Ealing / Northfields / High St. Kensington 'perhaps'? They all are on the live railway, have platform capacity and were served by these trains.
Olympia would be a pain .... to get to.
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Post by joshua on Apr 13, 2022 21:34:02 GMT
You've still got to get it there and away afterwards. And the handworked crossover at East Putney has been removed I thought? You could run it on to the Network Rail Lines and turn it around in former Down Line which is now a Reversible Line. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 13, 2022 22:03:28 GMT
I think it's time we get back to reality when it comes to the Q stock. Please start a new thread in the appropriate area for more 'what if?'s on where it could be displayed. The train is unlikely to ever run on LUL metals, and the challenges with displaying it have already been addressed.
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Post by d7666 on Apr 13, 2022 23:29:16 GMT
I think it's time we get back to reality when it comes to the Q stock. Please start a new thread in the appropriate area for more 'what if?'s on where it could be displayed. The train is unlikely to ever run on LUL metals, and the challenges with displaying it have already been addressed. Not even on the Chesham branch vice defective wheelset S8s ?  AAwwwwwwww.   |
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Post by t697 on Apr 14, 2022 5:54:30 GMT
You've still got to get it there and away afterwards. And the handworked crossover at East Putney has been removed I thought? You could run it on to the Network Rail Lines and turn it around in former Down Line which is now a Reversible Line. Oh sorry, I must have missed that you'd convert it to 3rd rail operation as well. |
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