Q stock to run again?

I remember that you'd hardly notice the MGs were running normally under load, unless the Guard switched off the car-lighting, then the MG would run up and increase in volume.

Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting and hopefully I'll be travelling on them in a few years!

It's become apparent from both within and outside the forum that the redundant A60 Stock Rail Adhesion Car 6110 will be given a new lease of life running as a generator car for the Q Stock.
There hasn't been a progress report from the LTM Friends page for a while but hopefully we'll get some more information soon as I'd like to know how they plan to incorporate 6110 with the existing arrangement without making it stand out too much.
The exterior profile will be noticeably different against the Q38s but should blend in better with the Q35 and Q23's wider box profiles.

EDIT: A60 Trailer for Q Stock project is 6110, not 6036.

All that's left to ask is, will 6110 be re-classed as a Q60 Trailer?

Oh my. Looks like I got myself mixed up. When was 6036 taken away then? Until now, I thought 6110 went away with rest of 5110 + 5111.

Its still a 'might' not will. Its down to cost whether they will end up going ahead with the conversion or not. Hospital type generators are not cheap.

That is still the intention.
Posted earlier by luacton is the idea to use the converted A Stock with generator for non-LU track running, thereby providing the traction voltage to power the motors.

Without wishing to flog a dead horse I thought of a while back (well, OK, I am...)
Presumably there will be a lot of space in there (relatively speaking). Can they put all the gubbins in there needed for the various new signalling systems in use. Also, can it be made de-couplable from the Q-stock - then it can be used as a more widely-used thing in case there is anything else self-propelled that needs to go across the surface networks.

and if you keep the traction motors in it, you could run it up the quieter ends of the met and sell tea-towels to commuters between trains

While that sounds ideal, it would not work. Whatever train it would be working with would have to have pipework amended to allow an 'electronic' dump of air in a spad case. The cabs would need indication panels, mode selection switches, and being heritage stock (which never works so well with new signalling), test department would need easy access to isolation points to get the train moving again as quick as possible if something happened.

The fast lines North of Harrow will have convential signalling with CBTC laid over the top, this has to happen to run the Chilterns

I accept that this is less sexy and not the hi-tech system that LU wants, but it will probably be cheaper and easier to just switch to manual driving. And (as I am led to believe) at the present time reducing costs is important.

Also, this will help train driver's retain their driving skills and keep license up to date.


Simon

Heritage runs will still be possible under possessions, whatever the signalling. However this may not be possible in practice due to the massive disruption that would occur.

What's the best way to address all modes of manual operation across all ATO lines without making a long winded response?

My understanding was that drivers were limited to Restricted Manual on the Victoria Line. Or is that no longer the case with the new signalling?

It rarely happens now that there's a full end-to-end service however. Unlike Seltrac there's fewer limitations to prevent trains from keeping time, but most drivers don't have the experience/confidence to drive as well as the computer. One slow train would kill 36tph instantly.

Not quite sure which part you mean, but fitting a 'box of tricks' which could easily be transferred between different heritage stocks would not be so easy. The actual equipment is fairly bulky, plus adding on all the 'permanent' additions the various pieces of heritage stock would need makes the whole idea very impractical. One of the more expensive jobs is making a train 'profile' so the signalling understands what the train is able to do and how large a braking gap you need. At present only the 38ts is planned to be fitted, but the q stock will as well if funding permits. The q stock generator wagon is still just an idea, and the budget is what will be the main factor for whether it happens or not. The q stock is being done to run on the underground, and any external running will just be a bonus.