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Post by venice on Feb 27, 2016 8:44:55 GMT
[ The Victoria line got away with it easily because it served the termini of the same name. Jubilee was so-so, but somewhat regained its reputation when it finally failed to cross the Fleet river but go via the Docklands instead. Elizabeth line on Crossrail: I have no idea what is the nearest and most obvious point of interest in Central London to do with the renaming – not even Centre Point. Doesn't CrossRail Elizabeth serve Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park, or is this a too tenuous connection |
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Post by trt on Feb 28, 2016 10:33:20 GMT
The DM ran an article this weekend about the archaeological finds during the construction of the Elizabeth Line. Referred to it as Cross Rail throughout, though I expect they were just recycling old copy as per usual.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 28, 2016 23:30:50 GMT
Someone has started a petition that "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II should be renamed "Crossrail" in the interests of balance and fairness". |
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Post by brigham on Feb 29, 2016 15:50:52 GMT
Because of the change in name I've had to update my "Railfanning London's Railways" web pages. I've kept Crossrail in the group of page names for mainline trains and although I refer to it as the Elizabeth Line I don't make the mistake of calling it a tube line! You also don't make the mistake of calling it 'not a tube line'! |
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Post by jacko1 on Feb 29, 2016 20:35:22 GMT
When (sic) he becomes King, he will be King George VII. As a result of promises to the late Queen Mother. he becomes king - there have been several cases where the reigning monarch has outlived the heir apparent. Plenty of precedents for choosing a different regnal name, including George VI and Edward VII, both of whom were known as Prince Albert before they succeeded to the throne, but I don't think here has been any official announcement. Although extraordinary lengths can be gone to in order to secure the succession - notably in the reigns of HenryVI, Henry VIII, Queen Anne, and after the death of George III's only grandchild, it is not seemly to actually anticipate the death of the current monarch - "Long May She Reign" and all that. But it would make a useful sequence for future history students to remember the 20th and 21st century monarchs: Edward, George, Edward, George, Elizabeth, George, William, George. If the Duke of Cambridge (Prince William Arthur Philip Louis) could only be persuaded to use a regnal name beginning with E as well............. I don't want a prince albert_ to bloody painful! |
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Post by patrickb on Feb 29, 2016 22:34:44 GMT
Someone has started a petition that "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II should be renamed "Crossrail" in the interests of balance and fairness". Her Majesty Crossrail did not approve and wanted the petition taken off. |
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Post by melikepie on Mar 2, 2016 12:17:55 GMT
Can someone rename this thread as it is about the naming of Crossrail 1? A Surrey concillor has suggested a name for Crossrail 2 which I will start on a separate thread
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Post by jukes on Mar 2, 2016 12:38:02 GMT
If he becomes king - there have been several cases where the reigning monarch has outlived the heir apparent. Plenty of precedents for choosing a different regnal name, including George VI and Edward VII, both of whom were known as Prince Albert before they succeeded to the throne, but I don't think here has been any official announcement. Although extraordinary lengths can be gone to in order to secure the succession - notably in the reigns of HenryVI, Henry VIII, Queen Anne, and after the death of George III's only grandchild, it is not seemly to actually anticipate the death of the current monarch - "Long May She Reign" and all that. But it would make a useful sequence for future history students to remember the 20th and 21st century monarchs: Edward, George, Edward, George, Elizabeth, George, William, George. If the Duke of Cambridge (Prince William Arthur Philip Louis) could only be persuaded to use a regnal name beginning with E as well............. I don't want a prince albert_ to bloody painful! Just to correct this - King George VI was known as HRH Prince Albert, then he became Duke of York before he succeeded to the throne in Dec 1936 whereupon he took the regal title George VI. Edward VIII was known as HRH Prince David. He then became Prince of Wales and succeeded his late father George V in January 1936. However, he was always referred to as 'David' before he became King and that resumed as his informal style after his abdication in December 1936 when his official title was HRH Duke of Windsor. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 2, 2016 14:45:01 GMT
Just to correct this - King George VI was known as HRH Prince Albert, then he became Duke of York He was created Duke of York in 1920 (the Dukedom having been vacant since 1910 when the previous Duke, his father, became King), but was still a royal Prince (just as the present Duke is also known as Prince Andrew). Since the Wars of the Roses, the title of Duke of York has traditionally been given to the second son of the monarch. Although a hereditary title, it has not actually been inherited since 1460, when the third duke (Richard of York, who Gave Battle In Vain) died at the battle of Wakefield and was succeeded by his son, who seized the throne the following year as Edward IV. The Dukedom has since been recreated ten times, (including three Dukes of York & Albany) but each holder has either died without a son, or has become King, in which case the Dukedom reverts to the Crown. They were, in order, the second son of Edward IV (the younger of the Little Princes in the Tower) the second son of Henry VII (came to the throne as Henry VIII as his older brother Prince Arthur predeceased their father) the second son of James I (came to the throne as Charles I as his older brother Prince Henry predeceased their father) the second son of Charles I (came to the throne as James II after the death of his older brother Charles II) the second son of Sophia of Hanover and younger brother of George I, (created Duke of York & Albany after his brother came to the throne - died without issue) the second son of Frederick Prince of Wales and younger brother of George III, (created Duke of York & Albany after his brother came to the throne - died young, without issue) the second son of George III, (probably the "Grand Old Duke of York" of the nursery rhyme: died without legitimate issue) the second son of Edward VII, (came to the throne as George V as his older brother Prince Albert Victor predeceased their father) the second son of George V, (came to the throne as George VI as his older brother Edward VIII abdicated) the second son of Elizabeth II - who to date has no sons to inherit the Dukedom. There have been only two exceptions: George II's second son was Duke of Cumberland - his uncle was Duke of York at the time Victoria's second son was created Duke of Edinburgh. He later succeeded to the title of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha from his father's family A third exception will occur if Prince Harry is awarded a dukedom during the lifetime of his uncle. Recent tradition has seen Dukedoms conferred on royal princes when they marry: this allows the bride to be styled Duchess of X rather than Princess Arthur or whatever - (only a princess by birth can be simply e.g Princess Charlotte - Princess Diana, Princess Katherine etc is a solecism, although "Princess of Wales" was correct) |
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Post by Antje on Mar 9, 2016 19:56:31 GMT
If TfL wanted to call the line Elizabeth line, then I would insist to TfL that they at least use the same naming structure as the tube:
- Crossrail remain as the service brand name
- Elizabeth line should refer to the route between Heathrow/Reading to Shenfield/Abbey Wood
Then we can use Crossrail for Crossrail line 2, etc.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 9, 2016 20:03:46 GMT
Can someone rename this thread as it is about the naming of Crossrail 1? A Surrey concillor has suggested a name for Crossrail 2 which I will start on a separate thread
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 9, 2016 21:31:08 GMT
If TfL wanted to call the line Elizabeth line, then I would insist to TfL that they at least use the same naming structure as the tube: - Crossrail remain as the service brand name - Elizabeth line should refer to the route between Heathrow/Reading to Shenfield/Abbey Wood Then we can use Crossrail for Crossrail line 2, etc. That's not such a bad idea IMHO but you can bet a pound to a penny that somebody will claim that as they all cross London to some extent or other, the rest of TfL should follow the same convention. Personally, at the moment I'm more worried about the slow growth rate on my chilli plant.  |
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Post by trt on Mar 24, 2016 13:25:40 GMT
Name it Queenie McQueenface.
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Post by jamesb on Mar 24, 2016 23:42:53 GMT
Crossrail directional signs are already at TCR but covered by stickers. Now that the line has been renamed, will these have to be changed?
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Post by Alight on Mar 25, 2016 19:41:09 GMT
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Post by phoenixcronin on Mar 25, 2016 21:42:02 GMT
Hopefully at least "Crossrail Elizabeth Line" |
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Post by Antje on May 9, 2016 13:13:51 GMT
In light of a certain change that I will not go into due to the politics rule, I've asked the Mayor if he could make a u-turn on this, because Crossrail is the name that remains familiar to Londoners.
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 9, 2016 13:37:19 GMT
I have already asked him personally and received a fairly typical politician reply which basically said no
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Post by brigham on May 9, 2016 14:08:01 GMT
In light of a certain change that I will not go into due to the politics rule, I've asked the Mayor if he could make a u-turn on this, because Crossrail is the name that remains familiar to Londoners. Isn't 'Crossrail' the name for a whole project of lines, rather than just the first one? I hadn't realised that 'Elizabeth Line' was the new name for the scheme formerly known as Crossrail. Just when I think I've finally got a grip on it all, someone comes along and baffles me all over again. Can anyone point me to a simple, non-corporate-speak explanation of what Crossrail was, what it is now, and what it will be when it's all completed? |
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Post by Antje on May 9, 2016 17:01:33 GMT
I have already asked him personally and received a fairly typical politician reply which basically said no Is it the Mayor before or the Mayor we have now? |
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 9, 2016 17:30:11 GMT
The mayor we have now. Although I suppose there's no harm in trying again, perhaps the stars are aligned differently and the outcome may be different |
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Post by crusty54 on May 9, 2016 19:41:14 GMT
I had a horrible feeling this would happen. There have been rumours for a number of years from colleagues over at Crossrail (1), but I always brushed it off and said that it would never happen. I am of the opinion that ‘Crossrail’ should be distinct from the London Underground lines, which follow a ‘X line’ convention. Besides, ‘Elizabeth Line’ doesn’t have much of a ring to it. As others have already pointed out, all those vinyls that have gone up (e.g. at TCR) are going to have to go! Renaming is an expensive process. Even just renaming the Fleet line to Jubilee line cost £50,000 alone (in 1977 prices)! a lot of signs will need changing at TCR with the Battersea extension and if the Camden Town split goes ahead |
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