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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 7, 2016 10:59:19 GMT
Overhead line mast bases going in this weekend on approach to pfm.1 at Barking
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Post by stapler on Aug 7, 2016 12:11:51 GMT
And some at Upper Holloway, I noticed
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Post by snoggle on Aug 10, 2016 16:02:11 GMT
A "royal" pronouncement by Sir Peter Hendy.
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Post by flippyff on Aug 28, 2016 21:53:46 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Aug 28, 2016 22:45:17 GMT
While I understand the point you make it's perhaps no great shock that the rail replacement service may be awarded on a firm time period with an extension. We know TfL have been jumping up and down to get the total timescale pulled back and the line is due to reopen in the first weekend of February so the concept of the real programme, regardless of NR's blockade published programme, being to the end of December is not unrealistic. I don't expect anyone to really "pull a rabbit out of a hat" and reopen the line in early Jan 2017 rather than 4 weeks later but perhaps Arriva have been a bit "too honest" about their RRS contract in their press release. There's obviously a lot of work to do but if NR can relay tracks, stick up all the masts and catenary, run all the new cabling and replace the bridges by early Jan then all that's left is platform extension works and joining all the wires to the leccy supply which we know doesn't take place until after services resume. Having platform works run over a number of months once trains are running is no hardship as 4 car trains aren't due for 15 months anyway.
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Post by xercesfobe on Oct 2, 2016 7:58:49 GMT
Now we have Brexit, I would like to think that the German Government's sponsored companies (DB Schenker, Arriva) where informed that their services are no longer required. Do others agree!
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Post by stapler on Oct 2, 2016 8:47:04 GMT
I'm sure they won't be, but with an end to the OJ procurement process in sight, we might see more repatriation of this sort of thing anyway. Directly Operated Railways may yet see a resurrection.
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Post by jswallow on Oct 2, 2016 9:37:17 GMT
I've come into this thread thinking there were new things to read about the GOBLIN electrification works, not politics. My mistake.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 2, 2016 10:24:13 GMT
Now we have Brexit, I would like to think....... Do others agree! There are plenty of operators in the UK from outside the EU, such as Hong Kong, so I can't see that the UK's membership of the EU has actually made a difference.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 2, 2016 12:53:17 GMT
Now we have Brexit, I would like to think that the German Government's sponsored companies (DB Schenker, Arriva) where informed that their services are no longer required. Do others agree! XF It makes not one shred of difference to me. Competence is what counts. Do we really only want First Group, National Express and Stagecoach running every franchise? I've excluded Go Ahead as they partner with the presumably "evil" French? Plenty of competence in other operators and plenty of useless practice in UK owned companies. It's a big world out there and the concept of us being able to ignore it and "go our own way" is laughable in transport matters as well as so many others.
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 2, 2016 14:01:19 GMT
Can we stay on topic, please. We don't do politics on this forum.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 2, 2016 19:50:00 GMT
Do we really only want First Group, National Express and Stagecoach running every franchise? If Scotland gets independence two of those will be foreign too!
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Post by roythebus on Oct 8, 2016 20:20:02 GMT
Once contracts are signed and franchises awarded it matters not whether we are in or out of any political union. At the present time the UK is still a full member of the EU and is likely to remain so for a while. Political bit over, just pointing out contractual facts.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2016 14:27:11 GMT
Just a small update as I peered over the bridges at Blackhorse Rd yesterday.
Looking east the new track is all in place. You can see the transition from ballasted to slab track as the line starts to bend round towards Queens Rd. Electrification masts are now in place here.
Looking west there is work going on in the station area to create new foundation to the north / east of the e/b platform. I assume this is for the step free access works that are planned here. Some clearance has gone on behind the w/b platform but no obvious work yet. No sign of the platforms being extended at the east end and I couldn't quite see the western end.
For some time quite extensive preparatory work has been going on where the line cross the canal near Ferry Lane estate. A crane has been in place for several weeks. Some electrification masts are in place on the refurbed bridge section but not on the section which crosses the reservoirs. I can only assume this is because there is plant access beside Thames Water's offices and NR may not want masts to impede movement of vehicles / materials to / from Blackhorse Road.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 26, 2016 15:00:12 GMT
Overhead line mast have been going up on approach to pfm.1 at Barking over the last few weekends.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 26, 2016 16:49:39 GMT
Heard today that contracts have just been let for the remaining station upgrades on the line.
The extended platforms won't be needed until the longer trains arrive and that is some way off.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2016 20:10:16 GMT
Heard today that contracts have just been let for the remaining station upgrades on the line. The extended platforms won't be needed until the longer trains arrive and that is some way off. Good point about the (timing) need for the longer platforms but I'd assumed that the contractors would make use of the blockade to get the work done without repeated recourse to engineering hours work. The line would appear to reopen on 6 Feb but there are no weekend closures for a long while after that - not even the usual NR cyclic ones for routine inspection and maintenance. There's no great panic as I assume the genuine platform extension works will not take too much time so if they mobilise in December they could stil complete by start of Feb. Where there are already long platforms it's a case of repair and reinstatement with fixtures and fittings able to be fitted whenever required - as you suggest that could be anytime up to a year after the line reopens assuming no short term surprises over longer rolling stock materialising before the Aventras.
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Post by stapler on Oct 26, 2016 22:07:09 GMT
Which are the stations that need much lengthening? A fair number have platforms that were long enough for a 4-4-0 or 2-6-4T with up to 8 carriages; that would mean refurbishment of the disused bits, not new construction, presumably?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 26, 2016 23:24:27 GMT
That depends what state the disused bits are in. It's possible that some might need demolition and reconstruction rather than refurbishment.
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Post by stapler on Oct 27, 2016 6:19:38 GMT
True, but it's not quite such a task as (for instance) the Crossrail/GEML lengthenings
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2016 12:05:29 GMT
Which are the stations that need much lengthening? A fair number have platforms that were long enough for a 4-4-0 or 2-6-4T with up to 8 carriages; that would mean refurbishment of the disused bits, not new construction, presumably? I think the following need lengthening - Harringay Green Lanes, South Tottenham, Blackhorse Road. These need rehabilitation / refurb of old parts of platforms - Upper Holloway, Crouch Hill, Walthamstow Queens Road, Leyton Midland Rd, Leytonstone High Road, Wanstead Park, Woodgrange Park. As already stated the scale of work depends very much on the state of these old platforms. I photographed all the east end ones and some didn't look in wonderful nick but who knows what they're like underneath given many are on viaducts. Queens Rd is also having its platforms lowered because of the track lowering at that location. I believe some work is also needed at Gospel Oak platform (other than stringing wires) but I can't remember what. Barking's P1 is being electrified but is obviously long enough as are P7 and P8 for peak workings.
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Post by redbond on Oct 27, 2016 14:24:17 GMT
When the stations from New Cross Gate southwards had their platforms lengthened to accommodate 10 car trains, most of it was done whilst in full service and at night.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 27, 2016 18:32:06 GMT
Which are the stations that need much lengthening? A fair number have platforms that were long enough for a 4-4-0 or 2-6-4T with up to 8 carriages; that would mean refurbishment of the disused bits, not new construction, presumably? I think the following need lengthening - Harringay Green Lanes, South Tottenham, Blackhorse Road. These need rehabilitation / refurb of old parts of platforms - Upper Holloway, Crouch Hill, Walthamstow Queens Road, Leyton Midland Rd, Leytonstone High Road, Wanstead Park, Woodgrange Park. As already stated the scale of work depends very much on the state of these old platforms. I photographed all the east end ones and some didn't look in wonderful nick but who knows what they're like underneath given many are on viaducts. Queens Rd is also having its platforms lowered because of the track lowering at that location. I believe some work is also needed at Gospel Oak platform (other than stringing wires) but I can't remember what. Barking's P1 is being electrified but is obviously long enough as are P7 and P8 for peak workings. It will also depend on whether step free access has to be installed.
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Post by stapler on Oct 27, 2016 20:56:25 GMT
South Tottenham was always a bit of a problem given the junctions. Harringay Stadium was, I remember, refurbed in the 50s, but perhaps its platforms were shortened subsequently. BHR was of course moved to a new location with very minimum facilities (unlike the old wooden station!)
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2016 21:18:46 GMT
When the stations from New Cross Gate southwards had their platforms lengthened to accommodate 10 car trains, most of it was done whilst in full service and at night. No suprise given the railway has to remain operational. You don't get full blockades of the BML lasting months. They did those platform works the only way that was practical. The GOBLIN is fully blockaded so it will be reasonable to assume that all the work that requires physical changes to stations would be done during it even if the late delivery of longer trains means they're not strictly necessary. I understand there may be some "behind the scenes" stuff on GOBLIN that won't be complete during the blockade but the public won't be aware of that. Nonetheless the TfL closures look ahead shows no continuing weekend or late evening blockades on the GOBLIN route for 3 months after it reopens.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2016 21:23:57 GMT
It will also depend on whether step free access has to be installed. To the best of my knowledge only Blackhorse Road is having "access for all" works done during the blockade and even that's about 18-24 months behind schedule but at least it is being done. Three stations are supposed to be being gated - that could be any three of the following - Upper Holloway, Crouch Hill, Harringay Green Lanes, Walthamstow Queens Road, Wanstead Park or Woodgrange Park although some of those locations are not easy to do because of the station configurations.
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 27, 2016 22:19:01 GMT
Upper Holloway bridge has closed to road traffic for 3 months, which is causing a large amount of disruption. There is some local disquiet that the 3-week closure previously touted has grown with little notice.
The railway replacement buses are running but appear rather sparsely used, then again they are quite infrequent and in several cases, don't stop by the station but on a backstreet nearby. Many passengers will probably find it just as easy to use a service bus. They would appear to be being operated by a variety of firms including London United, Metronet and Sullivan as well as Arriva (I assume that no one firm has sufficient spare staff/buses to run a service the whole time?).
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Post by snoggle on Oct 28, 2016 21:51:05 GMT
Upper Holloway bridge has closed to road traffic for 3 months, which is causing a large amount of disruption. There is some local disquiet that the 3-week closure previously touted has grown with little notice. The railway replacement buses are running but appear rather sparsely used, then again they are quite infrequent and in several cases, don't stop by the station but on a backstreet nearby. Many passengers will probably find it just as easy to use a service bus. They would appear to be being operated by a variety of firms including London United, Metronet and Sullivan as well as Arriva (I assume that no one firm has sufficient spare staff/buses to run a service the whole time?). Arriva have subcontracted the western RRS to London United hence why their buses are turning up in Seven Sisters. Arriva are assisted by Ensignbus and Tower Transit on the eastern RRS. The eastern route sees NB4Ls at weekends as they are surplus at north London garages. I believe the eastern RRS has had an off peak frequency cut as it wasn't being well used. I didn't think the Holloway Rd Bridge closure had changed. It has always been one week full closure, then southbound closure for weeks plus a couple of weekend full closures and then the painful full closure over the Christmas break and on to mid January. I expect things will ease a tad next week although the schools are back so might be very painful in the peaks.
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 1, 2016 9:29:06 GMT
Upper Holloway bridge has closed to road traffic for 3 months, which is causing a large amount of disruption. There is some local disquiet that the 3-week closure previously touted has grown with little notice. The railway replacement buses are running but appear rather sparsely used, then again they are quite infrequent and in several cases, don't stop by the station but on a backstreet nearby. Many passengers will probably find it just as easy to use a service bus. They would appear to be being operated by a variety of firms including London United, Metronet and Sullivan as well as Arriva (I assume that no one firm has sufficient spare staff/buses to run a service the whole time?). Arriva have subcontracted the western RRS to London United hence why their buses are turning up in Seven Sisters. Arriva are assisted by Ensignbus and Tower Transit on the eastern RRS. The eastern route sees NB4Ls at weekends as they are surplus at north London garages. I believe the eastern RRS has had an off peak frequency cut as it wasn't being well used. I didn't think the Holloway Rd Bridge closure had changed. It has always been one week full closure, then southbound closure for weeks plus a couple of weekend full closures and then the painful full closure over the Christmas break and on to mid January. I expect things will ease a tad next week although the schools are back so might be very painful in the peaks. Arrival appear to be running some blocksort on the eastern bus service as well as metroline, so I assume it is shared. A shuttle bus was also introduced following the council's intervention, for the benefit of disabled passengers on the closed section of Holloway Road. I understood that a three week Christmas closure was due to occur but the first that I knew about the longer closure was when it was reported in the press the week before. Indeed, about a month ago I checked online so as to try and plan for Christmas, but nothing had been put up. It would appear that this was also a surprise to everybody else including the Council. There are still ongoing local issues with traffic getting stuck, especially where HGV drivers try to go down residential roads or dodgy uber minicabs following prat-navs try to go down a one way Street the other way. However, it is better than at first, presumably as motorists find other routes.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 1, 2016 9:47:53 GMT
A shuttle bus was also introduced following the council's intervention, for the benefit of disabled passengers on the closed section of Holloway Road. . Diamond Geezer, as ever, has been there
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