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Post by roythebus on May 6, 2016 23:43:23 GMT
Most instructive comment from Roy. Moral - avoid the RR service altogether! th I am sure Roy will correct me but there is some context to add. There have been a fair number of road works at key locations in East London over recent months that would have screwed the RRS. Lodge Lane flyover works in recent weeks have tipped Barking into a logjam with queues stretching for miles. There have also been a number of works and incidents on the A406 which has also caused massive jams over a wide area. I've been caught in some of them just going to Ilford and back on the bus. There is no doubt, though, that the RRS will always be a difficult route to run and I expect people will not make a lot of use of it. They'll overload existing rail, tube and bus services and I suspect TfL may be forced to put extra resources on some bus routes once alternative travel patterns become obvious. No matter what they do, there will always be road works, yet people never moan about that. shut the railway for a while and the whole world complains about it. Yes, the first weekend I done that run, maybe October last year we had road works in Romford Road (4 way lights), road works with chicanes on the road across Wanstead Common, Leytonstone High Road closed for a farmers market, firworks in Barking, West Ham at home, diggery at Tottenham Hale, more diggery at South Tottenham, 5 and a half hours for a round trip.. |
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Post by patrickb on May 6, 2016 23:49:52 GMT
If you want to see a massive step. Try boarding or alighting a 72TS at Kenton. I'm fairly tall and once grazed the top of my head on the frame, I now make sure that I don't step too quickly down, but when you see the train already at the platform. Your first reaction is always to get on asap before the doors close on you.
I doubt that the gap will be as severe at Upper Holloway.
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Post by spsmiler on May 7, 2016 23:06:54 GMT
If you want to see a massive step. Try boarding or alighting a 72TS at Kenton. I'm fairly tall and once grazed the top of my head on the frame, I now make sure that I don't step too quickly down, but when you see the train already at the platform. Your first reaction is always to get on asap before the doors close on you. I doubt that the gap will be as severe at Upper Holloway. that sort of step would never be allowed 'today'. I once slipped over because of the step... the ground was wet and so was the floor on the train. Simon |
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Post by patrickb on May 9, 2016 0:13:11 GMT
If you want to see a massive step. Try boarding or alighting a 72TS at Kenton. I'm fairly tall and once grazed the top of my head on the frame, I now make sure that I don't step too quickly down, but when you see the train already at the platform. Your first reaction is always to get on asap before the doors close on you. I doubt that the gap will be as severe at Upper Holloway. that sort of step would never be allowed 'today'. I once slipped over because of the step... the ground was wet and so was the floor on the train. Simon That sort of step is inevitable on a line which shares two different loading gauges. A common sight in fact across many outer branches. Hopefully you didn't fall or hurt yourself, however 'Gap' Incidents are becoming frequent and widespread. Thankfully the ticket machines are at hand to help in any emergency. Overground by contrast has a greater staff presence on platforms or at least that is the case From Camden to Stratford. Hopefully the Gospel Oak - Barking Line will follow suit when longer trains are introduced. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 11:40:56 GMT
(...) Thankfully the ticket machines are at hand to help in any emergency. (...) !!! |
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Post by melikepie on May 12, 2016 12:18:04 GMT
(...) Thankfully the ticket machines are at hand to help in any emergency. (...) !!! I'm sure Patrick b didn't mean that ticket machines grow legs and arms in an emergency. At least I don't think they do... |
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Post by Ben on May 12, 2016 14:28:44 GMT
A ticket machine, flailing around its newly acquired limbs, screaming. This is an image I did not expect to imagine today, but it will certainly stick!
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Post by Jerome H on May 12, 2016 17:55:31 GMT
A ticket machine, flailing around its newly acquired limbs, screaming. This is an image I did not expect to imagine today, but it will certainly stick! I can almost imagine them doing the ,"card or coin" bit that the man in episode 8 of Going Underground was doing |
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Post by patrickb on May 12, 2016 21:13:03 GMT
Remind me to give a class session on sarcasm for anyone who needs it... Also with the amount of thread drift going on, I suggest we all get back on the topic of this thread which is GOBLIN Electrification, otherwise you'll be told off by a real mod.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 21:28:26 GMT
Remind me to give a class session on sarcasm for anyone who needs it... Also with the amount of thread drift going on, I suggest we all get back on the topic of this thread which is GOBLIN Electrification, otherwise you'll be told off by a real mod. What he said ...  |
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Post by gantshill on May 25, 2016 8:10:09 GMT
This morning I travelled into work by a convoluted route which saw me on the 8:14 from Blackhorse Road to Willesden Junction. This took in the Gospel Oak platform avoiding line. I was interested to note that the train was full and standing over that section.
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Post by thc on May 25, 2016 17:19:43 GMT
gantshillI use that precise service sometimes when travelling from north to west London and fancy the surface option rather than the Picc. There are indeed a lot of people who travel across the junction, many of whom get off at Hampstead Heath for the Royal Free Hospital. What surprises me is that there are always twenty or so who stay the whole course to Willesden Junction low level. I'm sure extending GOBLIN services westward beyond Gospel Oak would unlock more demand, but doing so could of course lead to performance pollution. Even if the money could be found for new platforms at Goblin through platforms at GO, the penalty regime, tougher still under the new concession, militates against such a move. THC
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Post by spsmiler on May 25, 2016 22:28:00 GMT
Patrick, I landed on my backside and the shock of unexpectedly ending up on the floor meant that it was both a physical and emotional pain in the ass.
I understand the history behind the floor height differences, and that short of building double length platforms with different heights for the different sized rolling stock there is no solution that does not end up disbenefiting some passengers.
Simon
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Post by spsmiler on May 25, 2016 22:31:56 GMT
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Post by Chris M on May 26, 2016 0:13:02 GMT
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Post by A60stock on May 26, 2016 7:51:26 GMT
Is this service operated by a class 172 or 378? Why doesn't it start from Barking and what is its prime purpose as it seems to be the only through train of the day?
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 26, 2016 9:37:53 GMT
A60stockIt has to be a 172, as the route is only electrified beyond Gospel Oak. It was put on as a "peak buster" but as I understand it there is no platform available at Barking at the relevant time so it starts at Woodgrange Park. Likewise there is no space at Gospel Oak so it runs through to Willesden. Running this extra service effectively requires 100% availability of the fleet at that time of day.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 3, 2016 23:28:40 GMT
Had a spin along the GOBLIN today before the eastern half shuts for 9 months. Lots of engineering marks along the viaduct section to show where the electrification masts will go. On sections where there is firm ground rather than a supporting structure then there are the new style metal foundations in place right along the route. There are actual masts near Ferry Lane and on the approach to Harringay Green Lanes. The curve round the ECML also has mast foundations in place. Bridge works are happening at Upper Holloway with the carriageway reduced by 50% while TfL's contractors put in new foundations for the new bridge deck. Wightman Road's bridge is surrounded by scaffolding (as seen from rail level). South Tottenham is now step free and curiously there is a new walkway off the west end of the eastbound platform which then runs round to the new lift tower. That was a surprise (haven't been through there in months) and made me wonder how the platform extension work is going to be done there. As I was on the line off peak I didn't encounter horrible crowding but the trains were all reasonably busy. Oh well buses and alternative routes from tomorrow for an awful lot of people. 
LOROL 172 003 arrives at Leytonstone High Road by plcd1, on Flickr And next time I'll see a train there it will be under wires.  |
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Post by stapler on Jun 4, 2016 6:46:22 GMT
Under wires, yes, taking juice from wires, no!
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Post by snoggle on Jun 8, 2016 9:27:48 GMT
There was a LO Twitter session yesterday. I asked a couple of questions and got some answers.
- Seemingly no great "big bang" changes when Arriva take over later this year.
- The GOBLIN timetable, including all the peak extra workings, will be reinstated when the line reopens in February. I was curious as to whether something different would be done.
- It seems that the planned Access for All scheme for Blackhorse Road is going to be delivered as part of the upgrade works. This is a pleasant surprise given there has been "radio silence" about this scheme for ages and ages. Therefore we can expect to see a somewhat different looking Blackhorse Road Overground when the line reopens.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 21, 2016 21:08:39 GMT
Just a couple of observations from today. New track sections stacked up on one of the running rails at Blackhorse Road. A works compound has also been created in the staff car park at Blackhorse Road. I assume this is for the station works. There were also people working at the Ferry Lane compound - I assume preparations for more bridge replacements at some point. The Network Rail GOBE twitter account has been publishing some good photos of the extensive works between Blackhorse Road and Queens Road to lower the tracks. twitter.com/NetworkRailGOBEThey are also going to provide some time lapse videos in due course as they have cameras in place (I asked them about this). |
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Post by stapler on Jul 21, 2016 21:26:55 GMT
Anyone know if the work is on schedule so far?
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 22, 2016 16:44:09 GMT
Apparently so yes.
Also the last 2 bridges at Ferry Lane going over the River Lea are due for commencement 26th November & finishing on 6th Jan 2017.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 3, 2016 15:34:22 GMT
A Mayor's Question and Answer showing how the service frequency might change. I appreciate part of the answer doesn't make much sense but don't shoot the messenger!
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Post by stapler on Aug 4, 2016 16:27:00 GMT
That's a pity. I'd have thought it might warrant 6tph, but could the Gospel Oak bay cope? And will the journey time be reduced?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 4, 2016 16:32:20 GMT
Is there capacity for more than 5tph though? There are lots of freight paths.
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Post by melikepie on Aug 4, 2016 17:19:53 GMT
That's a pity. I'd have thought it might warrant 6tph, but could the Gospel Oak bay cope? And will the journey time be reduced? I'm pretty sure it could cope. When I think about Liverpool Central, that has 12tph and 2 platforms. Stanmore used to be in a similar situation with far more trains. Stourbridge Town has a 6th service and 1 platform although it is only a shuttle. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 4, 2016 17:36:41 GMT
Stourbridge is not really representative, as you do not need to allow for conflicts between on-time arrivals and late departures when there is only one "train" on the line. The limiting factor there is simply how long it takes to make the round trip. And if you get behind time, you can get back on schedule simply by cancelling a departure without the cancelled train blocking the platform for the next arrival.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2016 11:29:37 GMT
Is there capacity for more than 5tph though? There are lots of freight paths. I think to go beyond 5 tph for passenger trains would require resignalling (again!) and more provision for "holding" freights. The problem is the balance of freight will shift towards the GOBLIN in order to release paths on the NLL. Within the next 20 years I suspect there will be a "crisis point" about the conflicting needs of passenger traffic and freight from Thamesside / Essex / Suffolk. Whether the industry is in any sort of position to secure a strategic fix to this remains to be seen. How many years did it take to secure electrification of the GOBLIN because of issues about how freight's "benefits" from electrification could be captured and paid for? The next option for TfL would be longer trains at 5 tph if demand growth requires it. I suspect we may be a fair way off that being needed to be honest. *If* there is ever a tunnel to Thamesmead from Barking Reach then all bets are off as that would be a complete game changer. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2016 14:33:31 GMT
Looks like NR and their contractors are having a few problems with concrete pouring. They were due to work on Thursday daytime but an accident closed Palmerston Road for several hours causing traffic problems. The work was then rescheduled overnight Thurs / Fri (tweet has been deleted). Now that has apparently failed so they're trying again tonight. |
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