A Stock Farewell Tour

causton, I gotta defend myself there. Yes I ran down the platform at Watford, but I did not knock anyone over. I made sure I didn't. Anyone who got knocked over, that must have happened behind me.

Those of us who didn't do anything in an unsafe manner, I think you should cut such folk some slack.

What an outstanding picture! Superb!

As for overmanning! You can see forum members, in no order inparticular, Memorex, 3.1 and Aspect whilst the driver is former forum member MetDriver.

I didn't witness any completely unacceptable or dangerous behaviour all day. However there were a few young people in high spirits whom could have been something of a distraction! The fact the train was tagged by vandal scum on it's last trip is something that does, however, very much justify complete outrage of this group!!

Anyone up for a DD Forum meet up in a pub after the tour on Saturday - the usual Holborn venue?

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For the tour, does anybody know which Letter,(for example B or H) associates with which car on the train?

To be fair to people, they were not climbing on equipment, they were climbing on a wall. Not a big deal anywhere else, so why on the railway. It's a special occasion and a blind eye can be turned to things like this.

Nobody in the front carriage was 'over enthusiastic', they were having fun. It's a thing young people do - have fun. If you're saying that when you were their age, you didn't have fun, then I'm afraid you were probably a bit boring!

Unfortunately yesterday I had work commitments in the afternoon, but managed to sneak out to Farringdon for the last in bound train.

My favourite A stock picture, and it certainly is nowhere near as good as the tunnel shot, is this I took at Neasden last summer. I like the way the passenger is staring at the camera

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Oh my!

**collapses in a gooey heap**

This is what it is all about, never mind all this exuberance. I'm in the City this weekend with a ticket for The Train; I'm not taking my camera though, just my eyes and a quiet seat in a comfortable corner with a good book.

Those clean lines and shapes on A stock will never ever look old. The 'modern' styling of the S stock that will look hugely dated in at least 10 years time. I mean look at the Blue Peter logo about 10 years ago where it was just a bunch of blue circles!

I have travelled many miles and made a significant personal sacrifice for this. I will be mostly annoyed if things are cancelled due to "passenger action"; though it goes without saying that LU staff have my full support if they need to act because of this.

This railway enthusiast had a close shave/brown trouser moment.

I think that things did go a bit too far yesterday. There were children on the train, and some people were shouting out some quite inappropriate things, such as "Oh look, there's the paedo" and making very distasteful remarks about each other's sexual habits and preferences. Yes, they probably all knew each other and took no offence from each other, but there was a distinct lack of consideration for other people from certain individuals, some of whom I KNOW are DD members. I always choose to remain fairly anonymous on these events (just my choice), but some of the things you hear make it more than obvious who some of them are.

Don't get me wrong - I love a bit of banter with my friends, and sometimes it gets out of hand. But I'd always be mindful of where I was doing it, and its effect on others.

I'm not going to agree or disagree with you, but the argument I have bolded is faulty. It is safe to assume that most people would prefer neither happened; you have offered a false dilemma

Because if someone had fallen off the wall and cracked their head open, they could end up taking TfL to court on the basis there was no "do not climb the walls" notice. I'd like to think they'd lose, but if they didn't (and even if they did), I can see TfL could use it as a valid excuse for either curtailing or stopping enthusiast runs like this.

Turning a blind eye isn't something that just can be done like that any more. Actions have consequences, and as MetControl has already pointed out, Saturday's run will still go ahead, but with more than likely a firmer hand when it comes to people being stupid.



The problem with the kind of "fun" going on in the first carriage is that it completely stamps all over the wishes of those who wanted to have a less rowdy journey. Just because a group of people decide they're going to be loud, that doesn't make it acceptable. Personally, I did think the three cheers and the cheering over rough track was amusing and I joined in with some of it. But the yelling down the train to other people in the same group got very tiresome after a while, and while the yelling of "Pacers", "disgusting" and other derogatory terms every time an S-stock came past was amusing to start with, again, it got tedious very quickly. There is no need to yell when the people you're talking to are standing less than a meter away from you in the same group.

I thought it was sad that a group of people I was sitting with decided they would sit in the next carriage down for the return journey from Watford as they could not tolerate the noise any further.

This is a delicate balancing act; the loud people needed to tone it down for the benefit of other passengers - this did not happen at any time that I was on the train, and the passengers who want it quieter need to have some tolerance, which I feel they did - not one word was issued in anger towards the loud group.

In the heat of the moment it is easy to think you're not doing anything untoward, and all's well that ends well, etc, but the fact that TfL management are having to consider measures to control the antics on platforms tells me that they also consider some of the behaviour to have crossed a line.

I understand and share in the enthusiasm towards the A-stock, and as I said in my earlier post, the atmosphere in that first carriage was great. But I do feel, very strongly, that the people in the loud groups need to tone it down a little and have some consideration for other people on the train.

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That is absolutely not an excuse. First carriage of a train is not the same as a football fixture. Just because you (not you personally, "you" generally) are youths does not give you an excuse to assume that everyone else in the carriage wants to "celebrate" in the same way you do. You need to have a thought for other people in the carriage and not use loud and dominant behaviour to ensure you have your way. While other people in the carriage may not challenge you on it, that doesn't mean they're not gritting their teeth against it and exercising some tolerance. Your behaviour could well be spoiling someone else's journey and you wouldn't even know because it would be pointless to challenge you about it. That's not a justification.

Some people were also overheard comparing the crush in the first carriage to "Hillsborough" (in reference to the football disaster). Pretty sick, don't you think. And yes, they were rail enthusiasts that I've seen on more than one occasion.