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Post by jardine01 on May 23, 2012 18:58:54 GMT
Hi My main concern is that the Jubilee line is not reliable enough there is numerous articles on the net about the jubilee line being so unreliable. Tonight there is a faulty train at St Johns wood not to forget the track fault at green park yesterday! However why is this line so unreliable compared to the rest of the tube its the newest line but whats going on? I fear the worst with thousands of people getting stuck for hours if something goes wrong during the Olympics! I don't know if its officially the most unreliable line but i defiantly know the Piccadilly line is the most reliable line!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 21:04:30 GMT
Hi My main concern is that the Jubilee line is not reliable enough there is numerous articles on the net about the jubilee line being so unreliable. Tonight there is a faulty train at St Johns wood not to forget the track fault at green park yesterday! However why is this line so unreliable compared to the rest of the tube its the newest line but whats going on? I fear the worst with thousands of people getting stuck for hours if something goes wrong during the Olympics! I don't know if its officially the most unreliable line but i defiantly know the Piccadilly line is the most reliable line! And it's still closed 5 hours later!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 21:16:35 GMT
Still suspended between London Bridge and Finchley Road. That must have been one hell of a fault to last 6 hours now!
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Post by jardine01 on May 23, 2012 21:19:38 GMT
I am going on the Jubilee line in 2 weeks time when i come down to London i hope its reliable then I don't want to be stuck in tunnels for 2 hours! I am not sure why there is so many faulty trains and signaling system failures? Hardly any other underground lines have this so why is it consistently the Jubilee line the Northern line line trains never break down! I have never seen a status saying severe delays due to a faulty train yet! I blame wear and tear for increased failure rates!
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Post by jamesb on May 23, 2012 21:41:54 GMT
how can a faulty train possibly remain for so long? there must be more to it... can't they just push it out the way ?
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Post by rsdworker on May 23, 2012 22:04:44 GMT
that's why its odd that line should reopened sooner - unlike Other places - in DC - metro trains can single track around broken train and new york has 4 tracks which trains can skip broken train at station
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Post by torquewrench on May 23, 2012 23:26:33 GMT
Hmm... I wonder if it really was a broken down train.....
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Post by rsdworker on May 24, 2012 5:19:47 GMT
this morning - jubbiee line is back in service full line again
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 24, 2012 10:57:16 GMT
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Post by bassmike on May 24, 2012 12:25:42 GMT
I do not understand what is wrong with certain officials in tfl. If they were able to walk passengers out via the track then why the ++++ didnt they do it four hours earlier? ?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 12:39:40 GMT
According to TfL's own jubilee line twitter feed there were minor delays occurring (again!!) between Stratford and Canary Wharf due to faulty trains this morning. They really must be having some rather catastrophic problems.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 13:25:00 GMT
Is all the talk in the staff lunch place here at Canary Wharf once again, as well as in our overseas offices - all of their own Metros seem to have worked without a problem for years.
You would not believe how fed up people - same people affected yesterday and today - have become about this, and they feel that the management not understanding how fed up the passengers are is a major part of the problem. For the people actually running the stations and trains though - which I think is many people here - , you would however be surprised how much you have all gone up in everybodys understanding since that television programme about life on the underground last month.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 14:23:05 GMT
According to TfL's own jubilee line twitter feed there were minor delays occurring (again!!) between Stratford and Canary Wharf due to faulty trains this morning. They really must be having some rather catastrophic problems. Because its a last resort??
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Post by jardine01 on May 24, 2012 15:14:47 GMT
There must be a major fault with the fleet if trains are continuing to fail today it says Minor delays due to earlier faulty trains at Canada Water. People say the Central line is unreliable but how often do you see that in the news that people have been stuck for hours. Is poor maintance to blame or ATO driving styles? Its funny since TBTC started things have got worse when I used the Jubilee line when it first opened it was so much more reliable then!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 15:36:44 GMT
Its funny since TBTC started things have got worse when I used the Jubilee line when it first opened it was so much more reliable then! In 1932?
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Post by alfie on May 24, 2012 16:05:05 GMT
You must have been 4 at most, jardine, even if you are talking about the extension..
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Post by jardine01 on May 24, 2012 17:23:40 GMT
Racka- No not 1932 1999 to practically 2010 when it was most reliable apart from signal failures but faulty trains were not as frequent as now
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 20:06:11 GMT
I am rather surprised at the lack of discussion of last night's Jubilee Line catastrophe on the message boards. As a layperson I struggle to understand : (a) how a tube train can "stall" - if this was the cause of the problem (b) why the problem cannot be easily resolved (c) why - according to press reports which I accept may not always be reliable - the driver did not give sufficient information to passengers - surely one of a train operator's main roles in these circumstances is to inform and reassure passengers at regular intervals ? (d) if the driver was not being told by line controllers what was happening, why this was so ? (d) what plan is in effect to rescue passengers in these circumstances ? (e) what are the time limits for initiating a rescue plan ? (f) why - according to press reports - the plan to push the failed train towards the next station failed because of the tunnel gradient - surely the gradient and likely success of this will be known to line controllers ??
I appreciate that - given the Jubilee Line's appaulling track record - some of these issues may have been debated in the past, so if anyone can point me in the direction of previous threads I would be grateful.
I am not meaning to be unnecessarily critical, just to understand why such a problem cannot be dealt with efficiently.
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Post by jamesb on May 24, 2012 21:36:35 GMT
It's the signalling, isn't it? since some of the equipment is on the trains? so when they say faulty train, maybe its something to do with the train interacting with the signalling equipment rather then the hardware of the train itself
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 21:46:00 GMT
According to TfL's own jubilee line twitter feed there were minor delays occurring (again!!) between Stratford and Canary Wharf due to faulty trains this morning. They really must be having some rather catastrophic problems. Because its a last resort?? I thought after other serious incidents with passengers being held in tunnels in the heat for hours and hours and needing the ambulance service to treat heat exhausted passengers etc., that detrainments now happen after half an hour.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 24, 2012 21:47:20 GMT
It's the signalling, isn't it? since some of the equipment is on the trains? so when they say faulty train, maybe its something to do with the train interacting with the signalling equipment rather then the hardware of the train itself I understand it was to do with the train hardware, not a signalling/ATO issue.
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Post by torquewrench on May 24, 2012 22:47:17 GMT
Main line burst I heard! Many a rumors!
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Post by 21146 on May 24, 2012 23:06:30 GMT
Too many senior managers involved and counter-manding each other despite Rulebook 2.
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Post by 21146 on May 24, 2012 23:16:27 GMT
And 2500 passengers involved not 800 surely?
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Post by jardine01 on May 25, 2012 6:18:19 GMT
What causes a main line air burst?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 7:07:27 GMT
Too many senior managers involved and counter-manding each other despite Rulebook 2. No change there then !! It's never been any different during a "biggie".
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Post by undergroundwomble on May 25, 2012 11:32:14 GMT
Out of interest, what does Rulebook 2 say, in broad terms?
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Post by mrfs42 on May 25, 2012 14:18:58 GMT
Its funny since TBTC started things have got worse when I used the Jubilee line when it first opened it was so much more reliable then! In 1932? You see, it's that CTC signalling that no-one liked apart form Morkill. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jardine01 on May 25, 2012 15:32:20 GMT
What causes a Main air line burst?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 16:55:32 GMT
Many, many things. Bad seals (though you'd need quite a blowout for it to empty the line), hose/pipe broken... as the top of the list. I recall a story involving a tool left trackside causing a main line burst...
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