Jubilee line reliability worries

Bit off topic, but I used the Jubilee today after a long time between Baker Street and Waterloo. The train was blistering between Baker St and Bond Street!

The problem with all the lines is one train issue causes a few minutes delay, which is enough to create queues of people within seconds, the strain on the remainder of the line multiplies, often leading to secondary incidents. The PEDs are a good example on the Jubilee - one PED issue now with TBTC causes more delay than it used to under the old system, because there is more interlocking between the PEDS and the signalling.
The trains are no doubt under more stress, and with more out there running, the maintenance is tight as there is virtually no spares to play with.
The Jubilee has been transformed with the new signalling overall, but it is not perfect and has bad days still. The issues of late seem to be more traditional train issues rather than signalling as such, but the two are much more integrated than before which complicates recovery procedures.
As for the Olympics, well, I think loads of things are being done, but its fingers crossed quite frankly!!

Rule book2 was rewritten to incorporate the new process for dealing with incidents, mainly revolving around the NIRM and the SOO. Incident specific radio channels, gold control silver control, over engineered and over complicated pointlessness if you ask me. Its a case of too many cooks, n they just end of all stepping on each other toes, and the rend result is the passengers stuck on these trains have to wait even longer to get off! The jubilee line is useless, all the money they've spent on it and they still cant get it to work, it will DEFINATELY fail during the olympics, and the whole world will be laughing at us. Absolutely no excuse to leave people on there for 4 hours, i notice no1 from LU or TFL has actually explained what the problem was, all theyve said is its not good enough, which we all know.

Apparently the Diamond Jubilee train suffered a major electrical problem according to the standard.
Can anybody justify what happened?

Just got a circular from ASLEF today saying that if LU go ahead with Automatic Door Opening, a dispute will commence with them...

Although ATO has benifits of making the trains run faster and TBTC for closer together. I think its sad really how train driving in general is being taken over by computers if you look on Wiki and look at the list of ATO metros around the world there is quite a lot! It will not be long before trains go fully automated both on the tube and national rail. Whats next driverless cars?

Possible but look at that FCC service that took 3 hours to get punters out of the train and on to platforms.... all because a twig managed to find its way on the pan head which caused the supply station to trip. Also general manager/driver incompetence!


Driverless cars have been around for a while.........

The platform could be dangerous, mad axe murderer on it and such... Police request... Unsafe surface...

Plenty of reasons to keep door opening manual, but there are also lots to make it automatic; it isn't very clear cut...



If he does he'll say "it's not good enough... But it wouldn't of had an effect on the Olympics as those stations wouldn't have a problem"
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There is NO WAY this was a driver error. The problem was unable to be fixed by the driver. He did NOTHING wrong.

It annoys me greatly when people blame drivers for the problems that occur.

If there are problems which could have been avoided by drivers and/or problems which should have been fixed by drivers then I agree that they (we) should get it in the neck (so to speak). When it is not the drivers fault then I suggest that people on here should keep their opinions to themselves.

Any issues with this, please do send me a private message.

From what I have read about the Kentish Town incident in the paper, the driver was a victim of a rather monumental cock up made by FCC and was overwhelmed by the number of passengers wanting to get out as he had no support, some of the passengers tried to leave the train.

Um there was driver error.... Over riding a safety system to gain movement WITHOUT a pilot light. Its in plain black and white under observations on the RAIB report if you'd like to read it.

With regards to the jubilee, both Inverters failed on the set which caused no traction. A rescue train was sent but upon coupling to the failed unit the sheilds were not used (OR the auto coupler was defective) causing the rescue train to fail.

It is a little worrying with the Olympics coming up with the last 2 weeks being a bit rough for the tube. Realistically, what are all your views on it? Afterall I guess LU is going to play quite a significant role in peoples impression on London.

GTO Thyristors can fail relatively easily as they are sensitive components.

I think the computer is good at stopping at the ped stations but you cannot beat a manually driven train yes its slower than ATO but you would drive at target speed so I can't see why you would loose time. Out of interest was the driving style similar to ATO with full throttle out of stations?

Like any computer basically its better I suppose.
I am sure all trains will overrun/Under run, but thats probably just lack of experince or poor driving style. But the washington Metro crash in 2009 that was ATO and the track failed to pick up the train and crashed into it. But TBTC is far from reliable constant signaling glitches computer crashes the list goes on. Well not sure if you work on the jubilee line or not but manual days when I rode it drivers were always good at stopping and still were quick. Its not like the victoria line with rapid power and braking as I have said before. Really sometimes on the Jubilee line it just feels like its manually driven.