Jubilee line reliability worries

I wouldn't refute this but with very extensive training and route knowledge, improved signal sighting and/or warning systems, manual operation can be just as good as automatic operation and lost time is minimal at worst.

For example a driving technique whereby the driver accelerates to line speed, coasts, finds the optimum point at which he/she can make a full service brake application stop at the mark putting the train into off and release at the last second stopping the train with virtually no jolt at all and opening the doors with the deadman released. This is definitely more superior to ATO's way of constantly applying power and braking which does nothing but knacker components out (i.e. when the 1992 stock motors had a nasty habit of burning out)

With regard to automatic opening of the doors on the jubilee, what is the actual point of taking away another safety critical responsibility from the drivers while they are still here? Dwell times apparently but all your going to do is save about a nano second that it would take for the driver to just press open.

Motors falling off because of ATO bring the primary reason? LOLOL! Seriously pal, learn a few things before posting because that is just utter nonsense.
I give up, there really are some people that you can't educate.

Really, Jardine, stop it. You're among people who know what you say is, frankly, utter drivel and I for one am fed up of reading false statements based on badly reworded Rail magazine articles or your views solely based on 2 minute clips of Youtube. You might have read yesterday when someone was asking about what let to a successful forum. It's the people and you're not exactly contributing to that.

You may be against ATO as you want to be a driver in a few years time but I'm afraid you might be fighting against the tide.

Please think before posting such rubbish in future. I for one am getting a bit fed up of visiting here and reading such inane posts.

Linkie to said forum, please?

You're asking about the obsession with ATO? It's you who goes on about it. I'm sure customers (See: pax) really don't care how their train is driven; so long it gets driven, good, and the faster the better.

Tuh. Another faulty train on the Jubbly is causing severe delays.

jardine01 said: "The Jubilee line the most unreliable line in the world in my opinion!"

TRIPE!

jardine, just where in the world have you been??

Careful m8! He reads rail magazines so therefore must know the current state of every metro system in the world, and how it works!

Jardine, you son don't have a clue.

It's not quite as simple as that though.
Yes, the safety system was overridden, but it was done so with the full knowledge and authority of the relevant people. The failure was that no member of railway staff visually ensured all the doors were closed once the safety system had been overridden. The computer system couldn't determine the state of the doors so this couldn't be the driver. Due to conditions on the train and passenger action the only way this could have been done on the train was with a staff member at every doorway - for which there was nowhere near enough people available. The layout of the track may have also made it impossible to do from outside the train, I don't know and the report doesn't say.
As with most serious incidents, it wasn't a single failure but a combination of several.

I concur, the motor falling out was more to do with poor design. I think it's fair to say that ATO never even came into the spectrum with the Chancery Lane incident.

Having myself had issue with his posts before, whilst in a particularly bad mood I might add, I'd like to offer a conditional defence of Jardine01.

He's just a 15 year old boy living in the North East who's actual real life experience of the tube system can't ever be anything other than limited to the occasional visit to London. To compensate for this he uses BVE simulators and snippets of information gleaned from the web in order to formulate his posts, most of which concern the speed of trains and his worthy aspirations to become an underground train driver.

He can see these aspirations being dashed by the advent of automatic systems and is understandably worried and upset.

Whilst he has obviously made a series of ill-informed and contradictory posts on this forum I'd applaud the lad for showing an interest in something that doesn't involve fighting, drugs or some other antisocial behaviour so often prevalent amongst his peers.

To Jardine I'd say listen and learn from the criticism levelled at you, particularly from those who work for LUL and have far more knowledge than you can possibly have at 15. Also, listen to the professional teachers on here who are only just attempting to help develop the quality of your posting.

To everyone else, I know it can be irritating sometimes, as I sometimes find but try and cut this enthusiastic train-mad speed-freak a bit of slack. He's just a kid and this, albeit a very good one, is only a forum after all.

Jardine, to put everything into perspective, here's something really, really fast. No ATO or any other automatic controls in sight!!............ ;D

4,454mph top whack I seem to recall!!



ATB

Rich

Not being rude Whistlekiller but it would of been a bit more professional to send this in a PM rather than on this thread.

.....and on this occasion, I agree with Alfie.

To stick a spanner in the works, ATO is no different to ATP on it's own in terms of safety and it could be argued with the correct extra safety systems the latter is safer! Yes, the reverse argument is also there, but there are certain circumstances that an ATO system can't deal with that a human can...

The 96ts seem to be failing every day or two where as the 95ts are still running like a dream. I'd even go as far as saying the 96ts are woefully inadequate.

And that Diamond Jubilee 96ts breaking down makes it look a complete laughing stock (no pun intended).

Apparently the D stock are the most reliable I remember recalling this on the the old the tube tv series.
However it will remain to be seen how reliable the 95 stock is when TBTC is installed.
I hope this post is Ok I am just saying my opinion.