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Post by astock5000 on May 16, 2012 1:05:42 GMT
It might seem a bit early for this, but the C stock will start to be withdrawn in a few months and we're possibly at the point where a unit won't be repaired if it has a serious failure. And as C stock trains run with three units coupled, this could also help anyone wanting to take photos of each unit, as they could know if it's formed at the end of a train. 11/05/2012:5501-6501 + 6513-5513 + 6578-5578 234 5521-6521 + 5582-6582 + 6569-5569 217 5568-6568 + 6559-5559 + 6728-5728 200 5579-6579 + 6560-5560 + 6725-5725 207 5597-6597 + 6722-5722 + 6707-5707 243 5703-6703 + 5512-6512 + 6711-5711 2xx (H&C) (I'm not completely sure which way round unit 5512 was) I've also put this on the C stock spreadsheet. Edit: Should this have been in 'SSR Group Discussion'? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 16, 2012 7:03:13 GMT
5568-6568 + 6559-5559 + 6728-5728 200 ? Does the Skype logo come up for evryone else? Why would I want to phone unit 5559 anyway? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 16, 2012 9:15:57 GMT
As suggested by astock5000 it's more appropriate to move this thread here for what will become a very long post, I'm sure!
I've brought along the "C Stock withdrawals" thread for completeness.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2012 11:41:02 GMT
Out of interest, although the C stock is correctly shown as being fractionally narrower than the A, this measurement only refers to the widest point which is at the bottom of the bodysides. The real issue is below this where not only is the solebar much deeper than on the A, but also the equipment cases actually project outboard of it, whereas in the A stock they are fractionally inboard. They are actually fatter than A stock in the areas where it counts.
The gauging issues with A and C stock on NR metals are either at the platform edges ( below the solebar) or with protruding underbridge beams. The overall width of the body has not been an issue as far as I know.
I've noticed quite a few C Stock cars with scrapes on the solebars in traffic.
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Post by astock5000 on May 28, 2012 22:45:42 GMT
28/05/2012:
5506-6506 + 5600-6600 + 6541-5541 243
5523-6523 + 5516-6516 + 6589-5589 200
5531-6531 + 5586-6586 + 6709-5709 xxx
5532-6532 + 6514-5514 + 6732-5732 242
5533-6533 + 5501-6501 + 6557-5557 205 - Formation change
5536-6536 + 5719-6719 + 6723-5723 2xx (Circle)
5545-6545 + 5552-6552 + 6550-5550 071
5556-6556 + 5511-6511 + 6590-5590 217
5568-6568 + 6559-5559 + 6728-5728 070
5591-6591 + 5535-6535 + 6718-5718 212
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 25, 2012 19:14:26 GMT
25/06/2012:
551?-651? + 6510-5510 + 6518-5518 2xx (Circle, part of number missing on front of unit - either 5512 or 5513).
5530-6530 + 5549-6549 + 6574-5574 212
5531-6531 + 5586-6586 + 6709-5709 xxx
5534-6534 + 5716-6716 + 6576-5576 201 - Formation change
5551-6551 + 6573-5573 + 6715-5715 213
5570-6570 + 5539-6539 + 6594-5594 071
5581-6581 + 5578-6578 + 6723-5723 075 - Formation change
5593-6593 + 5571-6571 + 6712-5712 074
5598-6598 + 6560-5560 + 6717-5717 2xx - Formation change
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 6, 2012 19:39:49 GMT
06/07/2012:
5504-6504 + 6514-5514 + 6732-5732 235 - Formation change
5507-6507 + 6548-5548 + 6542-5542 212 (later became 23x)
5520-6520 + 5722-6722 + 6597-5597 215 - Formation change
5521-6521 + 6601-5601 + 6544-5544 213 - Formation change
5524-6524 + 5503-6503 + 6591-5591 2xx (Circle) - Formation change
5528-6528 + 6512-5512 + 6604-5604 241 - Formation change
5532-6532 + 6559-5559 + 6728-5728 260 - Formation change
5533-6533 + 5501-6501 + 6569-5569 207 - Formation change
5534-6534 + 5555-6555 + 6576-5576 261 - Formation change
5538-6538 + 6596-5596 + 6717-5717 2xx - Formation change
5541-6541 + 5564-6564 + 6701-5701 240 - Formation change
5553-6553 + 5527-6527 + 6711-5711 211 - Formation change
5554-6554 + 5603-6603 + 6702-5702 242
5556-6556 + 5511-6511 + 6590-5590 232
5567-6567 + 6710-5710 + 6723-5723 2xx - Formation change
5570-6570 + 5539-6539 + 6594-5594 2xx
5575-6575 + 5529-6529 + 6602-5602 233
5598-6598 + 6560-5560 + 6707-5707 075 - Formation change
5704-6704 + 6573-5573 + 6715-5715 203 - Formation change
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 17:31:13 GMT
I've noticed quite a few C Stock cars with scrapes on the solebars in traffic. One of those will be mine!! Coming out of 21 road at PG to Eastbound, I inadvertantly found that if you're in a hurry, you will clump the EB platform! Ooops |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 15:56:36 GMT
Yes, my computer reformats the numbers as Skype telephone numbers as well. It even tells me that's a number in Singapore! I didn't know the C stock trains were being sold on to Singapore and fitted with telephones at the same time!
Seriously, though, does anyone know how to turn this feature off?
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Post by antharro on Jul 10, 2012 22:41:44 GMT
Turn off the Skype plugin in your browser. In Firefox you just hit the Skype button on the toolbar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 2:57:26 GMT
From the 1st of August (I didn't see the formation of the middle unit from each): 5606+5583+5593 5536+5716+5581 5717+5596+  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 13:12:41 GMT
With 5595-6595 at Acton, also don't look for 5575-6575 and 5532-6532 any more. They were involved in a 'side swipe' at Hammersmith a few weeks ago and are, at this stage, unlikely to be repaired. Maybe someone at Hammersmith has started their own scrapping programme ? ;D ;D
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Post by citysig on Aug 22, 2012 21:15:06 GMT
One is to be fixed, the other scrapped, but do you think for the life of me I can find my note on which was which. I will try and update within the next couple of days.
Scrapping of the damaged unit will take place via Northwood but not for a few weeks yet. The rest of the fleet will be leaving us from another location.
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Post by metman on Aug 22, 2012 21:29:33 GMT
How will the two car unit make it to Northwood unless helped? |
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Post by citysig on Aug 22, 2012 23:13:10 GMT
That is still in the planning stage. I was involved last week in planning to get the unit "turned around" so that it was closest to the end of the siding. Questions have been asked whether it could make it as a 4-car C-stock - and naturally we have expressed reservations about this. Basically, without making too much public, only the 2-car unit is up for scrapping. They don't want to send a whole train (4 or 6 car) for scrapping, but haven't decided how to a)get the unit to Northwood, and b)how to get whats left back from Northwood.
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Post by metman on Aug 23, 2012 7:36:33 GMT
Perhaps run it as a 6 or 8 car train and uncouple the 2 car unit from the south and let it run into the siding cab first. The Met timetable is tight for that would you say?
Would it not be easier to get the two cars to Acton Works and send it on a lorry from there?
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Post by citysig on Aug 23, 2012 11:42:15 GMT
Acton is planned to be the location for the rest of the fleet, but for whatever reason Northwood must be used for this first unit.
Another option being explored is the use of battery locos to push/pull the unit. It may also have to be planned to occur overnight...
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Post by 1018509 on Aug 24, 2012 13:54:51 GMT
One is to be fixed, the other scrapped, but do you think for the life of me I can find my note on which was which. I will try and update within the next couple of days. Scrapping of the damaged unit will take place via Northwood but not for a few weeks yet. The rest of the fleet will be leaving us from another location. I wonder what the thinking is behind either unit being repaired. Assuming there were sufficient C stock for the timetable before the S7 and that, as reported elsewhere on here, there are three S7's in service, there must be enough trains for the timetable as there are now more trains available - discuss. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 24, 2012 14:08:20 GMT
I wonder what the thinking is behind either unit being repaired. Assuming there were sufficient C stock for the timetable before the S7 and that, as reported elsewhere on here, there are three S7's in service, there must be enough trains for the timetable as there are now more trains available - discuss. All 4 S7s are now available for service. |
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Post by a60 on Aug 24, 2012 15:59:35 GMT
The S7 Stock cannot travel any further than Moorgate at the moment, so provisionally there is a 'preview service' and they haven't directly replaced any C Stock yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 8:28:06 GMT
That is still in the planning stage. I was involved last week in planning to get the unit "turned around" so that it was closest to the end of the siding. Questions have been asked whether it could make it as a 4-car C-stock - and naturally we have expressed reservations about this. Basically, without making too much public, only the 2-car unit is up for scrapping. They don't want to send a whole train (4 or 6 car) for scrapping, but haven't decided how to a)get the unit to Northwood, and b)how to get whats left back from Northwood. Can't they just drive it all the way round the Circle from Hammersmith depot, so the cab is facing the right way at Baker Street, up the Met to Northwood station then drive into the siding from the shunt panel? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 29, 2012 8:51:44 GMT
Can't they just drive it all the way round the Circle from Hammersmith depot, so the cab is facing the right way at Baker Street, up the Met to Northwood station then drive into the siding from the shunt panel? Unfortunately the shunt panels are little used these days and you would need to get the train out of Hammersmith depot also using this equipment. Also, they dislike running from Northwood NB direct into the siding so a run to Watford is now usual. Placing this unit within the first scrap train would be easier. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 12:29:41 GMT
Can't they just drive it all the way round the Circle from Hammersmith depot, so the cab is facing the right way at Baker Street, up the Met to Northwood station then drive into the siding from the shunt panel? Unfortunately the shunt panels are little used these days and you would need to get the train out of Hammersmith depot also using this equipment. Also, they dislike running from Northwood NB direct into the siding so a run to Watford is now usual. Placing this unit within the first scrap train would be easier. Without meaning to sound persistant, even if they are not used much, they can still be used right? And getting the unit out of Hammersmith depot using that equipment can't be too much hassle? I don't know why they dislike using it but your right they dont like it! |
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Post by Fahad on Aug 29, 2012 13:41:17 GMT
I don't think the train can be moved at line speed from the shunt control panel... I seem to recall reading that at least on the similar 73TS, it is impossible to engage an acceleration position higher than "Series"
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Post by metman on Aug 29, 2012 13:52:19 GMT
Certainly not, only series at most can be used. Again, I'd use an 8 car C stock and dump the damaged set off at Northwood!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 13:55:42 GMT
I don't think the train can be moved at line speed from the shunt control panel... I seem to recall reading that at least on the similar 73TS, it is impossible to engage an acceleration position higher than "Series" I suppose that may be a problem for coasting into Northwood sidings, especially the crossover. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 29, 2012 14:11:04 GMT
Certainly not, only series at most can be used. Again, I'd use an 8 car C stock and dump the damaged set off at Northwood! As has been mentioned by MetControl it does depend on which way round the offending unit is facing, as you could hardly have it with the 'blunt' end facing South, with limited control/brake from that end. It shouldn't be too long before other C Stock units are ready to be withdrawn via Northwood with more S7s for the H&C expected at the end of September. |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 29, 2012 17:45:52 GMT
Certainly not, only series at most can be used. Again, I'd use an 8 car C stock and dump the damaged set off at Northwood! As has been mentioned by MetControl it does depend on which way round the offending unit is facing, as you could hardly have it with the 'blunt' end facing South, with limited control/brake from that end. It shouldn't be too long before other C Stock units are ready to be withdrawn via Northwood with more S7s for the H&C expected at the end of September. Yes, there isn't a lot of spare room at Hammersmith at the best of times. How many S7's can arrive before space dictates that a C stock has to go? |
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Post by astock5000 on Sept 5, 2012 0:11:38 GMT
04/09/2012:
5514-6514 + 6552-5552 + 6545-5545 xxx - Formation change
5525-6525 + 5535-6535 + 6718-5718 2xx - Formation change
5530-6530 + 6583-5583 + 6593-5593 213 - Formation change
5540-6540 + 6510-5510 + 6726-5726 237
5549-6549 + 6574-5574 + 6568-5568 236 - Formation change
5554-6554 + 5603-6603 + 6702-5702 205
5562-6562 + 5512-6512 + 6708-5708 234 - Formation change
5570-6570 + 5539-6539 + 6594-5594 235
5584-6584 + 5561-6561 + 6724-5724 232 - Formation change
5590-6590 + 6527-5527 + 6596-5596 214 - Formation change
5598-6598 + 6560-5560 + 6707-5707 2xx
5606-6606 + 6519-5519 + 6731-5731 245 - Formation change
5704-6704 + 6573-5573 + 6715-5715 xxx
5705-6705 + 5557-6557 + 6734-5734 xxx - Formation change
5716-6716 + 5537-6537 + 6719-5719 215 - Formation change
The S7 running as train 700 in the morning was 21301.
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Post by astock5000 on Sept 26, 2012 23:13:27 GMT
26/09/2012:
5507-6507 + 6548-5548 + 6542-5542 2xx
5525-6525 + 5535-6535 + 6709-5709 234 - Formation change
5526-6526 + 5733-6733 + 6569-5569 200 - Formation change
5533-6533 + 5501-6501 + 6556-5556 203 - Formation change
5538-6538 + 6508-5508 + 6717-5717 247 - Formation change
5543-6543 + 5513-6513 + 6711-5711 242 - Formation change
5550-6550 + 5531-6531 + 6565-5565 205 - Formation change
5551-6551 + 5546-6546 + 6587-5587 204
5570-6570 + 5539-6539 + 6594-5594 243
5604-6604 + 6557-5557 + 6705-5705 232 - Formation change
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