A stock on its last legs

My not be on its last legs. It could be a loss of pilot light, something that happens if people lean on the doors as happened on New Years Eve!

I was on an A Stock the other week and the stench inside was absolutely awful!!

Are the trains cleaned every night? And does anybody know when we say "cleaned" what that actually involves? Is it quite literally a bucket of bleach and a sweeping brush along the floor?

Yes, although the A's will no doubt be gone, the C's will be around. I agree though, there has been a big deteroration in these trains over the last year or so.

I bet you they won't be around for the Olympics, TFL won't let clapped out 50 year old trains serve the football at Wembley! The S stock delivery will be seriusly ramped up soon, and the A's wll start to disappear pretty quickly.

Yes I'd agree there! Would be a sin if LT's longest serving stock isn't around for that.

the neglect factor has no doubt crept in and there's nothing to say whats being introduced wont be as bad in fifteen years time,and from whats been said if it lasts that long.

a long journey require toilet facilities,with these additional stops it equates to the aylesbury service in timescale,and toilets are needed.

i wouldn't take a bad impression away its not the train's fault its Tfl.those that remember back over the decades' will recall the A stock has many ups and downs in appearance but the train has always come back and made its mark and held its own,not least recently when reintroduced on the chesham shuttle during a points problem so remember the positives'.

I believe I have read (probably here in the dim distant past) the intention is to have some S7s running on the Circle/H&C for the Olympics, the cost of this was not completing the S8 delivery for full A-stock replacement by the summer

I guess if the Underground was flush with money the S Stock would have been built with toilets

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Don't you just love it when someone travels on ONE set - have a bad experience - then label the entire fleet dog s**t.

This is absolutely right. Don't forget that a reburbish replaces wear items like motors, bearings, fabric etc and then adds new paint. But the time comes when the fundamental structure, like the chassis, will start to crack after many years of constant stress and vibration and then entire structure is likely to fall apart. At that point its time to say goodbye.

Apparently the S stock deliverys have been stopped at the minute and production will start on the Circle line!

MetControl mentioned that S stock deliveries are about to resume very shortly, so I can't see any truth in your post. Not saying that you didn't hear it, only that your source is wrong.

And in response to an earlier post about the A stock being run down to make them look like they need replacing, the fact is they DO need replacing and fast. The effort that is now going into them to get them to run each day is a large one.

It's like some people are still in denial about the A stock going. They'll be gone by the summer - fact. They've given sterling service over the years - fact. I'll miss them as they are the last trains of a great era of LT - fact.

They are on their last legs - fact - and for a 50 year old train, that's no disgrace.

I completely agree with you mate. There is an awful lot of denial on here in that many people seem to think that the A stock if left will just continue to breeze merrily down the line without any issues - it just wont happen.

Just look at the Routemasters in London! They were/are a fantastic, lovely vehicle that gave years of brilliant service to the capital BUT towards the end all you ever saw was the poor things on the back of a recovery truck. Age caught up with them in the end, just like it is with the A-Stock.

I'm from Sheffield originally and I remember when we lost the mighty Dennis Dominator from the streets up there, they were a great vehicle but once again they needed to go in the end. They were replaced with bland vehicles BUT for the company they found them cheaper to run and easier (in the long run) to maintain just like LU will do with the S Stock.

they are but its each to their own.to say changes have been radical is an understatement.

the toilets are not going to happen but i did harrow-chesham after a saturday night out and chalfont&latimer was never such a welcome sight ,its hard to see all these additional stations at the time could have been coped with let alone a through train.

the s stock is more suited the district line as its already a similar layout,but not the metropolitan line.when criticism arises on a scale something is wrong.

the rm did have an incident with fire in 1966 seen here.

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they were nice buses in the 70s on the later 140 and the 52 was a nice ride to victoria,its very sad that these were scrapped in vast numbers with little interest only for scrap in the 1980s,now they are in demand.