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Post by trt on Jun 8, 2015 9:30:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 9:37:27 GMT
Amazing how fast the work in this area is proceeding while there is little sign of new work on the Croxley Link itself!
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Post by trt on Jun 8, 2015 14:05:55 GMT
They want to get the road in as fast as possible because it has to bridge the CRL route, and there would be a conflict if two crews were working in the same space. That and the cost of the road would rocket if they were to build it over an operating railway.
So the road & rail bridge goes in first, to the detriment of the park, Irish club etc etc.
I must go for a wander and get some pictures of the CRL works...
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Post by snoggle on Jun 10, 2015 0:17:47 GMT
TfL approval paper for Croxley Rail Link. THis sets out a lot of detail about scope, signalling, costs, funding, project timescales etc. Not read it in detail yet but the TfL Board will be asked to sign off on 1 July 2015 so that the necessary project transfer, funding, land purchase and procurement authorities are put in place. Mildly astonishing that the financial authority is £304m!  tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/fpc-20150617-item11-part-1-croxley-rail-link.pdfNote that a completion date of Dec 2019 is given but TfL consider that to be very risky and will not commit to meet it given where things are today! |
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Post by trt on Jun 10, 2015 7:26:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 7:38:06 GMT
I thought the Croxley Paper Mill closed years ago I guess that I was wrong! Yet another signing off not so much a railway line but a paper trail. Currently as far as I can see there is no work going on and all that has really being achieved over the last few years is the clearance of vegetation from the route and removal of some old infrastructure. I agree with TFL in doubting this link will be finished in 2019 more likely to be more delays or even cancellation!
Never has so little been done for by so many for so long ! 21st.century Britain could learn from our 19th century forefathers that just got on and did the job.
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Post by thc on Jun 10, 2015 13:37:36 GMT
An unknown wild card is the service that Chiltern plan to operate, from Aylesbury. Or could TfL say that since they are funding the new link its not a joint line and therefore Chiltern's trains are not wanted there? Simon No plans for any such workings at the moment. Chiltern won't take a punt so close to the end of their franchise term, especially since the commercial risk would be all theirs. Not impossible but highly unlikely that the DfT would include an Aylesbury-WFJ service in the ITT for the new post-2021 franchise. What is more likely, but again not by much, is TfL operating an Amersham- or Chesham-WFJ service. Of course, that would mean an 8-car 'S' stock carting an awful lot of fresh air around. THC That TfL approval paper posted by snoggle throws up some interesting points, not least of which is in the second appendix, where a letter of 30 March from the DfT to the GLA. Condition f) on page 2 states: “Transport for London will assess in good faith and agree with the Department, by the end of April 2015, the viability of the infrastructure accepting the operation of national rail DMUs (Class 165, 168, 170 and 172 up to six-cars in length), recognising DfT and stakeholders have a longer term aspirations for a service of 2 train per hour from Watford Junction to Rickmansworth, Aylesbury (and beyond). Transport for London will adopt any minor design modifications arising from the agreed viability assessment as part of the Croxley Rail Link project. Note: condition f) is subject to consultation between TfL and DfT.” This is the first official confirmation I have seen anywhere that a service from Watford Junction over the north curve to points beyond Amersham is actually an official aspiration. THC |
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Post by trt on Jun 10, 2015 14:01:54 GMT
Check the Herts rail consultation documents. The lobbying for a Chiltern run service along that curve is in draft, awaiting the consultation feedback.
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Post by thc on Jun 10, 2015 14:25:41 GMT
Yep, just seen them. The only thing I would add to the Herts docs is that HCC is, in the common parlance, a "stakeholder"; it is only the DfT's reference (as the likely funder) to services over the North Curve that actually carries any weight.
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Post by geoffc on Jun 22, 2015 19:04:53 GMT
I thought that the capacity issues related to passenger numbers, width of passages etc. The gateline is certainly not adequate now, nor is the corridor under the platforms. The gateline is certainly an issue, but the access to platforms 1-6 is more generous than to the other platforms, with the direct stairs from the gateline to the platforms before entering the subway proper.
I thought there were plans for a gateline on platform 6 - with access to and from the footpath leading up to St Albans Road.
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Post by trt on Jun 24, 2015 11:23:05 GMT
I can't see them putting a gateline there. To avoid the maintenance yard, they'd have to have it well up and it would be exposed to the elements, unstaffed, a haven for fare dodgers, and if they were expecting a large number of people to use it there would be a big bolus of people pushing past others with luggage waiting for the Virgins.
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Post by greatcentral on Jul 10, 2015 16:50:40 GMT
Yep, just seen them. The only thing I would add to the Herts docs is that HCC is, in the common parlance, a "stakeholder"; it is only the DfT's reference (as the likely funder) to services over the North Curve that actually carries any weight. THC Quite so. The problem for Tfl is that Herts and Bucks stopped their contributions towards the costs of services on the Met in their areas many years ago. That would seem to disqualify any stakeholders other than the DfT |
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Post by melikepie on Jul 15, 2015 17:03:52 GMT
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Post by trt on Jul 16, 2015 7:01:40 GMT
The one way Vicerage Road is set to be a disaster. There's no need for it. Very few people would drive or be driven to that station. The impact on West Watford traffic will be terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 23:31:46 GMT
I'm not sure the Bakerloo can ever run to Watford Junction now the Met is going there as regulations would require the floor of the trains to be the correct height for the platform. They would need four platforms on the DC side of the station - 2 for Bakerloo, 2 for Met. Didn't there used to be 4 there a few years back? There are currently 4 DC line plstform faces at Watford Jct up until the mid 1960's their was a 5th DC platform that was a through line which linked up at the north end of the station with the down main! XF |
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Post by bassmike on Jul 17, 2015 2:29:19 GMT
It origionally joined the down maim but for a long time it was disconnected with just buffer-stops.
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Post by melikepie on Jul 30, 2015 17:05:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 22:37:55 GMT
I wonder if the link will be completed in time for the S Stock Farewell trip! XF |
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Post by John Tuthill on Jul 31, 2015 9:10:10 GMT
I wonder if the link will be completed in time for the S Stock Farewell trip! XF Or when Watford win the Premier League!  |
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Post by Chris W on Aug 1, 2015 7:59:31 GMT
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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 1, 2015 8:28:52 GMT
#Wishin an' hopin#  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 15, 2015 17:00:43 GMT
"Metropolitan Line Extension (MLE)
Otherwise known as the Croxley Rail Link, the newly named Metropolitan Line Extension is due to be handed over to TfL from Hertfordshire County Council on 10 September 2015. The project has been designed to deliver a long-standing need to link Watford town centre with the London Underground.
The extension of the Metropolitan line from Croxley to Watford Junction will involve the closure of the existing Watford Metropolitan line station but will see the creation of two new stations, Cassiobridge and Watford Vicarage Road. The line will link to current London Overground services at Watford High Street, before terminating at Watford Junction where it will interchange with the West Coast Mainline services."
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Post by linus on Aug 16, 2015 11:40:03 GMT
" Metropolitan Line Extension (MLE)
Otherwise known as the Croxley Rail Link, the newly named Metropolitan Line Extension is due to be handed over to TfL from Hertfordshire County Council on 10 September 2015. The project has been designed to deliver a long-standing need to link Watford town centre with the London Underground.
The extension of the Metropolitan line from Croxley to Watford Junction will involve the closure of the existing Watford Metropolitan line station but will see the creation of two new stations, Cassiobridge and Watford Vicarage Road. The line will link to current London Overground services at Watford High Street, before terminating at Watford Junction where it will interchange with the West Coast Mainline services." Hmmm. Slightly misleading, as Watford town centre was of course linked with the London Underground via the Bakerloo line until 1982, which could easily be restored if there were any need, which apparently there still isn't. So the actual ostensible "long-standing need" is to link Watford town centre specifically with the Metropolitan line. A picky point, but the significance and potential benefits are completely different. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 21:22:04 GMT
" Metropolitan Line Extension (MLE)
Otherwise known as the Croxley Rail Link, the newly named Metropolitan Line Extension is due to be handed over to TfL from Hertfordshire County Council on 10 September 2015. The project has been designed to deliver a long-standing need to link Watford town centre with the London Underground.
The extension of the Metropolitan line from Croxley to Watford Junction will involve the closure of the existing Watford Metropolitan line station but will see the creation of two new stations, Cassiobridge and Watford Vicarage Road. The line will link to current London Overground services at Watford High Street, before terminating at Watford Junction where it will interchange with the West Coast Mainline services." Hmmm. Slightly misleading, as Watford town centre was of course linked with the London Underground via the Bakerloo line until 1982, which could easily be restored if there were any need, which apparently there still isn't. So the actual ostensible "long-standing need" is to link Watford town centre specifically with the Metropolitan line. A picky point, but the significance and potential benefits are completely different. The stupidity of our forefathers in around Watford in relation to railways is the issue. I guess their decedents secured jobs in Hertfordshire County Council, however that gravy has been withdrawn at last! XF |
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Post by trt on Aug 18, 2015 10:56:02 GMT
There's been a long standing need for east-west rail services across Hertfordshire, that's for sure.
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Post by melikepie on Sept 16, 2015 12:53:01 GMT
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 16, 2015 13:23:23 GMT
(Why did it have to change to such a boring standard name?) At a guess it's probably because it's an extension of the Metropolitan Line....... Seriously though, in terms of publicity "Metropolitan Line Extension" is more likely to have relevance to the public than "Croxley Link". In these days of branding absolutely everything, it will have been important to those who deem such things necessary. |
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 16, 2015 13:34:59 GMT
(Why did it have to change to such a boring standard name?) At a guess it's probably because it's an extension of the Metroploitan Line....... Seriously though, in terms of publicity "Metropolitan Line Extension" is more likely to have relevance to the public than "Croxley Link". In these days of branding absolutely everything, it will have been important to those who deem such things necessary. Whether that's a Freudian slip or plain typo in your line one, it's rather hit the nail on the head vide the promotional people. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 16, 2015 13:37:18 GMT
At a guess it's probably because it's an extension of the Metroploitan Line....... Seriously though, in terms of publicity "Metropolitan Line Extension" is more likely to have relevance to the public than "Croxley Link". In these days of branding absolutely everything, it will have been important to those who deem such things necessary. Whether that's a Freudian slip or plain typo in your line one, it's rather hit the nail on the head vide the promotional people. I was correcting it as you posted by the looks of things TBF. I spend too long staring at screens!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 18:39:03 GMT
Metropolitan Line Extension works for me, as it sounds like a railway line and not a shuttle bus service!
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