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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 18:12:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 18:15:18 GMT
great news!
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 13, 2011 18:43:26 GMT
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Post by kabsonline on Dec 13, 2011 18:45:26 GMT
Thats great. Can't wait to see the viaduct they are going to build to link the Met and the new line to Watford.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 18:48:34 GMT
Great News - at long last!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 18:48:40 GMT
Link in first post has now been edited.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2011 19:01:23 GMT
Finally - the ratio between the length of time of approval and the amount of new route must be among the highest on record! 20 odd years for about half a mile!
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Post by mrjrt on Dec 13, 2011 20:22:37 GMT
...think it's worse than that! I'm sure I've read as soon as everything was nationalised BR wanted to link it's two lines together but it was so far down the list it never happened...
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Post by manorborn on Dec 13, 2011 21:17:05 GMT
Fascinating. I've been a passenger on the Met since infancy and in 60 years have seen the Victoria. Jubilee and DLR built and the Piccadilly extended, but this is the first extension of the Met. In fact, this must mark the first expansion since the great retreat of the 1930s from outermost Buckinghamshire.
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Post by metman on Dec 13, 2011 21:17:28 GMT
....waits for house prices to fall in Cassiobury......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 21:30:12 GMT
The LNWR branch from Watford Jctn to Rickmansworth opened on the 01/10/1862; whereas the Watford Met branch was opened much later on the 31/10/1925. The LNWR (later LMS) and Met each wanted their own lines between Watford and Rickmansworth. true competition unlike todays railway!. The common sense approach would have been for the LNWR branch to have been upgraded and linked to the MET. By the time the link is completed it will have taken over 150 years for the folly of our ancestors to be finally resolved.  XF |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 13, 2011 21:37:06 GMT
Anyway, awesome. Electrification is being done by (re)laying the fourth rail? When the Bakerloo gets re-extended to Watford Junction that part doesn't need any more fourth rails...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 21:41:10 GMT
When the Bakerloo gets re-extended to Watford Junction that part doesn't need any more fourth rails... If this ever happens as as the Overground expands I think the chances of this occurring are diminishing, XF |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 21:50:58 GMT
I'm not sure the Bakerloo can ever run to Watford Junction now the Met is going there as regulations would require the floor of the trains to be the correct height for the platform.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2011 21:56:12 GMT
I'm not sure the Bakerloo can ever run to Watford Junction now the Met is going there as regulations would require the floor of the trains to be the correct height for the platform. They would need four platforms on the DC side of the station - 2 for Bakerloo, 2 for Met. Didn't there used to be 4 there a few years back? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 22:05:27 GMT
There are 4 DC platforms at WJ. There is also a platform 5 which has been out of use for a number of years but with some imagination (and money) could be brought back into use. I will have to take a look to see how long it is, but presumably it would be long enough to dock a 6 car Bakerloo train. That would give a potential of capacity to accommodate a peak hour service of 6 Met tph and up to 5 Bakerloo tph. Of course post 2022 with complete ATO 6+6 in peaks is very possible if not probable.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2011 22:08:59 GMT
There are 4 DC platforms at WJ. There is also a platform 5 which has been out of use for a number of years but with some imagination (and money) could be brought back into use. I will have to take a look to see how long it is, but presumably it would be long enough to dock a 6 car Bakerloo train. That would give a potential of capacity to accommodate a peak hour service of 6 Met tph and up to 5 Bakerloo tph. Of course post 2022 with complete ATO 6+6 in peaks is very possible if not probable. Thanks, yes I can picture the platforms now, not been up there for about 4 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 22:09:14 GMT
What about High Street though?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2011 22:14:16 GMT
I'm not sure the Bakerloo can ever run to Watford Junction now the Met is going there as regulations would require the floor of the trains to be the correct height for the platform. The Met and Piccadilly have this issue on the Uxbridge branch without any problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 22:16:02 GMT
The Met and Piccadilly have this issue on the Uxbridge branch without any problems. Grandfather rights. I'm not sure these would apply here. Disability discrimination regulations would as I say require the height of the train floor to be the same as the platform. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 22:28:53 GMT
And of course there is the same situation between Queens Park & Harrow & W.
Were platforms North of Harrow & Wealdstone releveled after the Bakerloo was cut back? Or are they still compromise height? If so, and grandfather rights are denied, you end up with a ridiculous situation....
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2011 22:30:31 GMT
And of course there is the same situation between Queens Park & Harrow & W. Were platforms North of Harrow & Wealdstone releveled after the Bakerloo was cut back? Or are they still compromise height? If so, and grandfather rights are denied, you end up with a ridiculous situation.... I believe that the platforms were not altered. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 23:21:40 GMT
The platforms will not be altered as part of the main project but may be done later if there is need and a budget! I raised the issue of the old platform 5 when I went to one of the Public Consultations. Apparently there is a lot of signaling equipment on the track bed ( there is the same issue at Clapham Jctn with the Overground and Platform 1) and not a budget for this work!
Platform 5 actually went full length of the station and and was connected to the down main at the north end of Platform 6. It was used to store tube stock in outside the peak periods.
It was taken out of use in the mid 60's when Watford Junction Station was partially rebuilt as part of the WCML electrification programme.
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Post by mrjrt on Dec 14, 2011 0:20:24 GMT
I also raised the issues of platform heights - though my interest was in the Met running segregated to Watford Junction by rebuilding Watford High Street with 4 platforms using the green space to the north of the station alongside the ring road. Somewhat less useful now that a new housing development east of the station means that widening the embankment on the other side of the road bridge is no longer possible.
...and they seemed to think there would be no problems whatsoever.
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Post by causton on Dec 14, 2011 1:21:14 GMT
Platform 5 actually went full length of the station and and was connected to the down main at the north end of Platform 6. It was used to store tube stock in outside the peak periods. It was taken out of use in the mid 60's when Watford Junction Station was partially rebuilt as part of the WCML electrification programme. XF Interesting!  I can picture that now in my head now I see why platform 6 looks quite wide... any pictures around? |
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Post by thc on Dec 14, 2011 8:11:08 GMT
A fantastic day. I've been talking this scheme up for years to anyone that would listen, including on here. Finally it looks as if we'll see it built. Oh yes. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 9:27:14 GMT
Interesting! I can picture that now in my head now I see why platform 6 looks quite wide... any pictures around? Here is photo of Watford circa 1961 ( not sure where it came from!) showing the DC Lines and Platform 5 can be clearly seen.  I have some other photos in various books showing Platform 5 as well, with both 1938 tube stock and Class 501's in situ. XF |
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Post by redsetter on Dec 14, 2011 10:45:40 GMT
the visual impact of this will tremendous and not sure of the final plan, a plan model would be of interest to see.
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Post by trt on Dec 14, 2011 11:11:42 GMT
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Post by trt on Dec 14, 2011 11:15:08 GMT
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I can picture that now in my head now I see why platform 6 looks quite wide... any pictures around?
