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Post by citysig on Oct 15, 2011 18:02:21 GMT
Up to 18 S-stocks will be in service (that's the current number of trains we have available.) So very nearly half the service could - in theory - be formed of S-stock.
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Post by A60stock on Oct 19, 2011 12:30:35 GMT
Just saw an s stock go past leicester! How's it getting to the met?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 13:05:44 GMT
So the whole of the daily off-peak service could be formed of S Stock, if so desired (and arranged).
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Post by cso on Oct 19, 2011 14:50:24 GMT
Just saw an s stock go past leicester! How's it getting to the met? Down the mainline to Princes Risborough, Up to Aylesbury, then down to Amersham -> Neasden via the Chiltern line. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 15:43:23 GMT
Always (so far) arrive at Neasden in the early hours (after normal traffic) of a Thursday.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 19, 2011 18:53:26 GMT
So the whole of the daily off-peak service could be formed of S Stock, if so desired (and arranged). Think 33 trains are required for off peak service, so not there yet! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 20:17:05 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Oct 19, 2011 21:00:12 GMT
Sorry, I meant half .... doh ;D ;D Not like you to make a mistake! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 21:04:02 GMT
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Post by citysig on Oct 19, 2011 21:10:04 GMT
As I've mentioned in the "withdrawals" thread, we're suffering a bit with the reliability side of things. Despite this being the week where the S-stock was going to be given the big push, around a third of the available trains are stuck in depot, all with repeat defects of varying descriptions.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 20, 2011 12:09:35 GMT
@metcontrol: As people were saying about the S stock being bad... The A60/62 is more than 49 years old, and doesn't really have many issues?
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Post by superteacher on Oct 20, 2011 18:35:43 GMT
@metcontrol: As people were saying about the S stock being bad... The A60/62 is more than 49 years old, and doesn't really have many issues? But it's taking a colossal effort to keep them going, and spare parts are now virtually non existent. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 20, 2011 18:41:47 GMT
@metcontrol: As people were saying about the S stock being bad... The A60/62 is more than 49 years old, and doesn't really have many issues? But it's taking a colossal effort to keep them going, and spare parts are now virtually non existent. That's the only issue... Eventually LU would need to cannibalize some. But at least they could have built better trains, than the S stock... |
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Post by citysig on Oct 20, 2011 23:26:55 GMT
@metcontrol: As people were saying about the S stock being bad... The A60/62 is more than 49 years old, and doesn't really have many issues? You are not sat where I'm sat each day. Trust me, the A60s, as much of a credit they are for serving us for so long, are only just making the grade when it comes to keeping the service moving. The S-stock problems are annoying to say the least, but it is known what they are, and all it will take is a few tweaks here and there. Hopefully, the current phase is part of an extended bedding-in period. Yes some things have come to light, but all in all they will be overcome. However, the A-stock are never going to be what they were. Each day brings repeated failures which, whilst they may not bring everything to a stand, do mean the train has to limp back to depot- causing service cancellations and putting another nail in their coffins. |
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Post by metman on Oct 21, 2011 9:09:55 GMT
Was it an S stock or an A stock that became defective at Great Portland Street this morning? All my mates are moaning!
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 21, 2011 11:15:51 GMT
Was it an S stock or an A stock that became defective at Great Portland Street this morning? All my mates are moaning! The line got suspended (Baker Street-Aldgate) or just 'minor delays'? |
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Post by mcmaddog on Oct 24, 2011 11:46:01 GMT
New questions (apologies if there's been something similar before), I was on an S Stock yesterday from Watford to Finchley Road, all was normal the whole way (apart from seeing a bloke peeing out of the centre door of the RAT) until reaching Finchley Road where the door did not open. A quick dash along to an open door and I was onto the Jubilee train next door. As we left however I noticed that only 1 door on every car was open. Any idea what would cause this? The door made no sound and the button never illuminated.
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Post by metman on Oct 24, 2011 16:01:35 GMT
Driver may not have pulled up to the stopping mark or beacon correctly. This is a problem with the new trains - and new drivers!! ;D
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 24, 2011 17:11:54 GMT
Driver may not have pulled up to the stopping mark or beacon correctly. This is a problem with the new trains - and new drivers!! ;D No problem: just activate Selective Door Opening - the train is articulated anyway. |
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Post by mcmaddog on Oct 24, 2011 17:39:23 GMT
Cheers but I still don't understand why the middle of the train is affected. I was (a real guess) wondering about some cold weather setting.
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Post by metrider on Oct 24, 2011 18:50:50 GMT
Cheers but I still don't understand why the middle of the train is affected. I was (a real guess) wondering about some cold weather setting. I'm just a passenger, so no inside info - just what I read here, but it does sound like a common fault. Twice in the last couple of weeks I have seen a similar fault. The most recent time, The train pulled into Harrow Pt 6 as I descended onto the platform (train 273 eve pk 19th Oct). It was obvious that not all door sets opened. I boarded near the platform main stairs and walked down the train. Not all doors in each car were open as I passed through. I settled in car 23013, the car just ahead of the train centre. The centre door set was closed on that car and the two end door sets open. The door open button on the closed door was not illuminated, and the closed door was not a result of the timed auto close feature. When we arrived at Finchley Road, all doors opened as normal. |
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Post by graeme186 on Oct 24, 2011 19:46:00 GMT
More S Stock generated problems tonight. I was on the 1713 ex Bk St to Amersham which was delayed by approx 30 minutes by a defective S stock train which could only proceed forward at a reduced speed. As you would expect, it was reversed in Wembley Pfm 1 necessitating the queue of trains behind running down the slow line to Harrow. Even though the train was 30 late at Harrow, it was routed down the local to Watford South Junction.
I should say though that our driver was excellent with his regular announcements of keeping passengers updated with the rather slow progress.
A very similar problem occurred during one evening peak last week involving a defective S stock train originating from the City.
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Post by castlebar on Oct 24, 2011 20:17:50 GMT
No doubt that Chesham PAX suffered again
Oh for a Watford Met - Chesham shuttle that would have connected with the Chiltern.
Stiil people not wishing to look "outide the box" to the detriment of the (Chesham) people who pay the fares.
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Post by citysig on Oct 24, 2011 21:16:17 GMT
More S Stock generated problems tonight. I was on the 1713 ex Bk St to Amersham which was delayed by approx 30 minutes by a defective S stock train which could only proceed forward at a reduced speed. As you would expect, it was reversed in Wembley Pfm 1 necessitating the queue of trains behind running down the slow line to Harrow. Even though the train was 30 late at Harrow, it was routed down the local to Watford South Junction. I should say though that our driver was excellent with his regular announcements of keeping passengers updated with the rather slow progress. A very similar problem occurred during one evening peak last week involving a defective S stock train originating from the City. Indeed, and as I've written elsewhere, my loyalties towards the new stock were tested this evening. The dud train at Baker Street caused severe problems for us right at the start of the evening peak. It did indeed manage to finally get to Wembley (some of the journey very reduced speed) and we did then have to divert trains via the local lines whilst the dud was prepared for the move to depot (which is a move in the same direction as it failed - therefore checks were made that it wouldn't cause even more problems). Harrow North Junction had a set of points taken out of commission earlier, and whilst the majority of services were unaffected, anything that left Wembley on the local lines had to stay on the local north of Harrow, as there was no way to cross over (fast trains from Wembley were able to cross to Harrow platform 1). |
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Post by citysig on Oct 24, 2011 21:19:19 GMT
No doubt that Chesham PAX suffered again Oh for a Watford Met - Chesham shuttle that would have connected with the Chiltern. Stiil people not wishing to look "outide the box" to the detriment of the (Chesham) people who pay the fares. Everybody suffered to a certain extent this evening - including Mr & Mrs Chesham who campaigned so long and hard for a through service. The pain - which was I'm afraid unavoidable - was shared amongst all of our customers. No decision is taken lightly and I can assure you plenty of looking - and thinking - outside the box was achieved. A service that had been decimated right at a critical part of the evening, was running more or less right-time by 2000hrs. That in itself is thanks to people on shift doing their utmost to sort things out as quickly as they could. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 21:55:36 GMT
Having the points out at Harrow sure does makes a much faster run through North Harrow, The 1501 Baker Street to Chesham was routed via Pfm 1 at Harrow which deaprted at 1520 and did Moor Park in 6 minutes same as the Chiltern's are timed at, arriving 3 mns early (5044 & 5164) passing the Watford due off Moor Park 1528.5 before Northwood and 5030 & 5184 sitting in the siding |
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Post by Chris W on Oct 26, 2011 13:17:05 GMT
Yesterday evening I headed onto the H&C/Circle for the first time in many many months and wondering down onto the westbound platform of Liverpool Street. At this precise moment I caught my first glimpse of an S8 stock train heading towards Algate (21007 on the front) and it really hit me how short a time the A stocks will now remain in service for. Whilst heading towards Paddington, a total of 7 met trains passed eastwards (4 A-stock and 3 S-stock) so based upon these numbers, it would seem that we're close to the tipping point when S-stock trains are in the majority. The S-stock may be smart and internally they look very clinical, however IMO I'm in the camp that prefers the A-stock, at least from an aesthetic perspective.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 23:15:58 GMT
55/56 stabled in RKY north sidings tonight - not seen an S in there before.
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Post by graeme186 on Oct 29, 2011 18:45:23 GMT
New questions (apologies if there's been something similar before), I was on an S Stock yesterday from Watford to Finchley Road, all was normal the whole way (apart from seeing a bloke peeing out of the centre door of the RAT) until reaching Finchley Road where the door did not open. A quick dash along to an open door and I was onto the Jubilee train next door. As we left however I noticed that only 1 door on every car was open. Any idea what would cause this? The door made no sound and the button never illuminated. I was on an up S8 train today sitting in the leading carriage. At Finchley Road, the first three sets of doors did not open. 5 passengers were over carried to Baker Street because I couldn't direct them to the fourth door in time. I spoke to the driver at Baker Street who politely indicated that his display had shown all the doors had opened correctly. He thanked me and then indicated that he and his colleagues were very concerned about the frequency with which such incidents are happening with S Stock. Not an ideal state of affairs. |
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