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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 21:51:49 GMT
Just how bony all your arses are? ;D Mine isn't exactly fat either, and yet S Stock seats are just fine for me  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 21:51:59 GMT
Apologies if this has been raised before but is there are intention to raise the speed limit north of Finchley Road once A stock has been withdrawn? According to Wikipedia the S stock has a maximum speed of 100 kph (62 mph) but will it be allowed to reach that or will today's 50 mph maximum be retained?
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Post by causton on Aug 23, 2011 0:08:39 GMT
Last time I heard, not until new signalling comes in. These days it's not all about speed so I don't know whether they'll increase the speed or just save money and do it in resignalling the line if at all!
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Post by cooperman on Aug 23, 2011 20:25:57 GMT
Went on the Met today, Liverpool Street to Chesham and back (changing at Baker Street). Was surprised to only see 1 S-stock which was at Chalfont & Latimer. Thankfully it looks like we still have quite a bit of time to ride the A-stocks before they all go to the scrapheap. I really think the exterior design of the S-stock is brilliant. Its the interior that I am really unsure of. I wonder if even more commuters up in Buckinghamshire will try to get the Chiltern service which is very comfortable, if they are faced with those S-stock seats to and from London every weekday! Evening All Took a S Stock from Baker St at 0727 to Chesham These are my Thoughts:- Very impressed with the Smoothness of the Journey. Surprisingly Fast all the way to Chesham. Still think there is a Security issue with a walk through Train. The problem is There has been issues regarding certain individuals intimidating Passengers that have spilled out to the rest of the Train. In the past these incidents have been confined to Individual Carriages . |
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Post by citysig on Aug 23, 2011 21:45:17 GMT
Apologies if this has been raised before but is there are intention to raise the speed limit north of Finchley Road once A stock has been withdrawn? According to Wikipedia the S stock has a maximum speed of 100 kph (62 mph) but will it be allowed to reach that or will today's 50 mph maximum be retained? As causton says above, it will be once the re-signalling is carried out and also in many locations, trackwork completed. Let's also keep in mind that although the S-stock can reach higher speeds, to run it at full pelt every day will do nothing to allow it to reach the sort of age the A-stock has reached. |
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Post by citysig on Aug 23, 2011 21:49:47 GMT
Still think there is a Security issue with a walk through Train. The problem is There has been issues regarding certain individuals intimidating Passengers that have spilled out to the rest of the Train. In the past these incidents have been confined to Individual Carriages . Taking the other angle, until now, somebody being harassed in a car has had the option of either sitting it out, or leaving the train at the next stop and either quickly moving cars or waiting for the next train. This could mean up to 10 minutes before the opportunity to move came about. Now at least that person can move to a more populated area of the train between stations. I don't know of any specific incident where the S-stock has been better/worse at coping with the undesirable individuals who use our network. However, taking the "safety in numbers" stance which can be afforded by being able to move freely through a train, it must have some advantage over A-stock. |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Aug 23, 2011 22:00:39 GMT
Seats are uncomfortable for me. And I never criticise trains.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 22:11:08 GMT
To my mind, the walk-through 378s on the Watford Junction DC line do feel a bit safer than the 313s that they have replaced.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 23:28:55 GMT
Surely being able to see (and hear) what's going on right the way through the train would only deter potential criminals, as they'd have a greater risk of being caught. Obviously that's not the only advantage of having "through gangways", another being the ability to see where there's more room and free seats. Either way, I rather like the idea and wish more trains had them!
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Post by metman on Aug 24, 2011 22:35:27 GMT
I don't mind the seats. The backs are relatively high and the padding is ok. The 378s are dreadful I must admit but the small wheels of the S stock make the ride marginal!
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Post by Ben on Aug 25, 2011 1:20:48 GMT
Let's also keep in mind that although the S-stock can reach higher speeds, to run it at full pelt every day will do nothing to allow it to reach the sort of age the A-stock has reached. Would that be the A stock that was run full pelt for... how much of its working life? Break it in gently by all means, but the A stock has reached 50 en mass after being thrashed about at 70-80mph for over 35 for them; no reason why the S stock shouldnt be expected to perform similarly for just as long. Even 62mph doesnt match the full potential that the railway could provide in places :/ |
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Post by oversteer on Aug 25, 2011 20:13:44 GMT
Rode one today for the first time. Really impressed, although the "hall of mirrors" effect is a bit disconcerting.
A stock is really showing its age now, and its retirement can't come soon enough.
Selective door opening will confuse people ! They should have put the warning indicators lower down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 21:51:12 GMT
Selective door opening will confuse people ! They should have put the warning indicators lower down. Compared to A Stock where half of the time drivers don't even bother to tell passengers about the SDO (and frequently forget to enable the doors after the fact - so the last door remains closed at Moorgate and Liverpool Street eastbound, and Baker Street westbound ;D ), S Stock with automated announcements, door indicators, and automated SDO is a marked improvement!  |
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Post by metman on Aug 25, 2011 22:03:05 GMT
On the flip side, we had some great drivers last winter that would cut out the leading and trailing doors at Finchley Road when terminating at Baker Street so the ends of the driving cars would stay warm. That's why I love the Met! |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 27, 2011 13:50:29 GMT
Selective door opening will confuse people ! They should have put the warning indicators lower down. Compared to A Stock where half of the time drivers don't even bother to tell passengers about the SDO (and frequently forget to enable the doors after the fact - so the last door remains closed at Moorgate and Liverpool Street eastbound, and Baker Street westbound ;D ), S Stock with automated announcements, door indicators, and automated SDO is a marked improvement! Sometimes the A stock drivers don't even cut out the doors - I've seen the doors open onto bare walls on a few occasions! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 17:47:54 GMT
Hi guys, First post on the forum but have been an avid viewer for many months I'm a social met line user who has travelled on the S-Stock twice now. The first time around a month ago and the second time today from Amersham to Finchley road. I have to say I really like them - The seats are not an issue for me, it's bright and the air conditioning today was a godsend compared to when I was in a sweat box A-Stock on the return journey. Dont get me wrong I do love the A-Stock - It's a train with "history", it envokes memories and will definately be missed but unfortunately they are now very much past their time. The difference in ride quality especially on the section going out of London after Finchley Road is massive! You literally bounce out of your seat on the A-Stock where as the S just glides over the rails. I'll be sad to see the A's go but overall the S stock is a brilliant train and one which I am sure will be around for many years to come. |
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Post by A60stock on Sept 22, 2011 18:03:55 GMT
the s stock are definitely an improvement but at the moment acceleration is just so slow!
this brings up a few questions
ofcourse they have to match the a stocks performance, however, will the acceleration rate be turned up once all a stocks have gone?
if not, why cant this be done, surely this would be odd having the c stock off the mark quicker than the mets s stocks!
when the c stock gets replaced, will the s stock acceleration be quicker than the mets s stocks?
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Post by metman on Sept 22, 2011 18:08:14 GMT
I would expect all S stock to have the same characteristics. Off course when the C stock is replaced but the D stock is still running I'm not sure the S stock will be capped to the same accelaration as the D stock. There probably isn't much in it! The A stock is slower off the mark so it matched the spec of the previous T stock!!
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Post by A60stock on Sept 22, 2011 18:23:05 GMT
doesnt that mean that the s8s initially will be slower of the mark than the s7s?
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Post by metman on Sept 22, 2011 18:25:37 GMT
No I don't think so because the extra car is a NDM and is therefore powered. The software for the train will be set up for this I should think.
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Post by A60stock on Sept 22, 2011 18:26:47 GMT
having the c stock off the mark quicker than the s stock would cause passengers to get annoyed with the "slow service"!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 18:27:09 GMT
Not being a "Londoner", but being interested in both the Underground and Main line Railways, I took an interest to the new S Stock for the Underground. Having not taken a ride on one yet, I would like to know how they are regarded by the "Londoners". As I am coming up to London in late July, I would like to know whether to avoid them, or get them. Regards Sam Why? Their bloody rancid!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 12:36:19 GMT
I can't agree with those who dislike the S-stock so vehemently to call them rancid. There a few niggles, longitudinal seats being one. But as someone who absolutely HATES that terrible racket from the compressors (meaning I have to drag my wife to the end or the middle of the platform to make sure I sit in an end car) and the cramped triple seats (usually occupied by two people), give me an S-stock every time.
One question, though. Every time I see a Metropolitan line train from my window, it is an S-stock. Every time I catch a Metropolitan line train from Ruislip, it's an A stock. If I tell this site when I'm planning to travel, can you please make sure you send an S-stock. PLEASE!
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 13, 2011 14:51:03 GMT
Maybe it's your karma S stock seems nice, but have never traveled on it. (I did on the A stock once)... |
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Post by redsetter on Oct 13, 2011 16:00:17 GMT
i was browsing youtube and a number of comments seem to prefer the old stock.
its in a dire state from vandalism and as the saying goes a new broom always sweeps clean you have to wonder if these new trains will run for decades looking the same too once the shines gone.
also this business about parts shortages' when you look at the modifications the a stock has had manufacturing replacements shouldn't have been a problem,that argument doesn't really hold.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 17:03:58 GMT
In my opinon the S stock are not a suitable replacement. The bays of 6 on the A stock are usually fully occupied during the peaks. To me the S stock seems to me as if TfL are concentrating on the zone 1 area only and left the long runs to Chesham and Amersham as an afterthought.
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Post by metman on Oct 13, 2011 17:50:57 GMT
They are, that's where most of the demand is! The day of the Amersham man is over.....
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Post by superteacher on Oct 15, 2011 10:10:25 GMT
Not being a "Londoner", but being interested in both the Underground and Main line Railways, I took an interest to the new S Stock for the Underground. Having not taken a ride on one yet, I would like to know how they are regarded by the "Londoners". As I am coming up to London in late July, I would like to know whether to avoid them, or get them. Regards Sam Why? Their bloody rancid!!! Rancid? What an absolutely stupid comment. If anything, the A stock smell rancid. The A stock are going - we'll miss them - now move on. |
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Post by ian1994 on Oct 15, 2011 15:41:54 GMT
Is there many S stocks running on the Chesham branch, as I am going to be using it next week and would be nice to try it out on one
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Post by causton on Oct 15, 2011 17:38:28 GMT
Basically, from next week (well for a while now) you have no idea whether you are going to be on an S or an A stock. From next week they will be treating the S stock exactly the same as the A stock, pushing it out on any duty, not just sticking to specific places at specific times. I was on an S stock to Chesham this week (not to Chesham, as I had a paper 1-6 travelcard and didn't get back down to the platform at Harrow on time!  ) - I'm sure if you turn up and the first one isn't, the second one will probably be. That worked for most trains this week when I wanted to get them, so it should work next week when almost every driver can take them anywhere  |
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) - I'm sure if you turn up and the first one isn't, the second one will probably be. That worked for most trains this week when I wanted to get them, so it should work next week when almost every driver can take them anywhere 
